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Re:Of course Zuckerberg wants to bow to Chinese censorship by colordrops on Friday November 25, 2016 @11:06AM (#13037625)
I don't think it's a coincidence that Facebook is building censorship tools at the same time they are talking about "fake news". It seems that the tooling to deal with both of these "problems" has a lot of overlap and could potentially be the same.

I lived in China for almost a decade during its economic rise, and many predicted an opening and democratization of China. But it always seemed to me that the US was becoming more like China rather than the other way around, and so far I haven't been disappointed.

Re:Of course Zuckerberg wants to bow to Chinese censorship by rayiner on Friday November 25, 2016 @11:39AM (#13037882)
Blame the business community that realized you could have a market economy within an authoritarian putatively communist government. Now they've been pushing hard to mold the whole world in that image under mantle of free trade.
Re:Of course Zuckerberg wants to bow to Chinese censorship by tenpies on Friday November 25, 2016 @03:03PM (#13039438)
I think it's a bit unfair to blame this squarely on the market economy. There's high levels of social fragmentation in the West leading towards the desire to censor the other side's speech.
Re:Of course Zuckerberg wants to bow to Chinese censorship by rhizome on Friday November 25, 2016 @05:18PM (#13040251)
Are you saying that a fragmented society in itself necessarily motivates censorship, that diversity causes repression? What is the engine of this desire?
Re:Of course Zuckerberg wants to bow to Chinese censorship by eveningcoffee on Friday November 25, 2016 @08:10PM (#13041118)
I wonder how many of them have managed to actually sell into this market.
Re:Of course Zuckerberg wants to bow to Chinese censorship by seanmcdirmid on Friday November 25, 2016 @11:19AM (#13037722)
It really looked like china was going to open up in 2008 before backtracking in a serious way for he next 10 years. You are probably right about the US, though it has a long way to go, maybe look at the U.K. or Austrailia?
Re:Of course Zuckerberg wants to bow to Chinese censorship by loceng on Friday November 25, 2016 @12:15PM (#13038199)
If it's 100% public as to what exactly is being censored: the when, the who, the what, etc - an uncensored list of this - then that'd be a very different situation than something done behind closed doors.

The question of whether we should or how could we trust Facebook or any government if they did publish a list - is it complete or not? How would we know an algorithm isn't reducing it's reach solely because it is on a specific list?

Re:Of course Zuckerberg wants to bow to Chinese censorship by MaxfordAndSons on Friday November 25, 2016 @12:59PM (#13038563)
I don't understand - obviously they wouldn't publish such a list in China, and what good would it do outside of China? Admittedly, Chinese who break through the GFW would find it useful, but given that I have a hard time imagining the Chinese government accepting FB if they did publish such a list outside of China.