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Re:Venezuela’s Currency Has Had its Biggest Monthly Collapse by logronoide on Thursday November 24, 2016 @05:18PM (#13033130)
Can't believe there are populist parties in Spain defending this model and trying to import it.
Re:Venezuela’s Currency Has Had its Biggest Monthly Collapse by wooter on Thursday November 24, 2016 @05:46PM (#13033272)
Sanders praised it. As a Venezuelan in SF, I've had my fair share of arguments where I've had to defend the perspective that Venezuela isn't a socialist paradise.

"These days, the American dream is more apt to be realized in South America, in places such as Ecuador, Venezuela and Argentina, where incomes are actually more equal today than they are in the land of Horatio Alger. Who's the banana republic now?" - http://www.sanders.senate.gov/newsroom/must-read/close-the-g...

Re:Venezuela’s Currency Has Had its Biggest Monthly Collapse by macspoofing on Thursday November 24, 2016 @06:26PM (#13033431)
GOP would have had a field day with Bernie had he been nominated instead of Clinton.
Re:Venezuela’s Currency Has Had its Biggest Monthly Collapse by tormeh on Thursday November 24, 2016 @07:18PM (#13033665)
Just like the Democrats had a field day with Trump: Great entertainment, but the outcome wasn't all that fun. Bush would have been less fun, but he would have lost.
Re:Venezuela’s Currency Has Had its Biggest Monthly Collapse by LordFrith on Thursday November 24, 2016 @07:06PM (#13033613)
In SF I keep seeing flyers titled "Can The Bolivarian Revolution be saved?", and I think to myself probably not.
Re:Venezuela’s Currency Has Had its Biggest Monthly Collapse by tim333 on Thursday November 24, 2016 @08:11PM (#13033806)
The Cuban revolution has lasted quite a while. Chavez and Maduro were big fans.
Re:Venezuela’s Currency Has Had its Biggest Monthly Collapse by BurningFrog on Friday November 25, 2016 @12:31AM (#13034589)
The recent thawing of US/Cuban relations are a direct result of Venezuela not being able to afford their foreign aid to the Cuban government anymore.
Re:Venezuela’s Currency Has Had its Biggest Monthly Collapse by pablovidal85 on Thursday November 24, 2016 @06:35PM (#13033458)
Actually they don't defend this model. Some of their leading heads were hired as consultants by the Venezuelan government and that's about all of the relationship that has existed between them.
Re:Venezuela’s Currency Has Had its Biggest Monthly Collapse by logronoide on Friday November 25, 2016 @05:32AM (#13035704)
Actually Venezuela is the only country that hired them as 'consultants'. Consultant... nice word hiding how to finance a political party in Spain: http://www.politico.eu/article/podemos-pablo-iglesias-electi...
Re:Venezuela’s Currency Has Had its Biggest Monthly Collapse by Findeton on Friday November 25, 2016 @07:47AM (#13036336)
Actually, that's also a lie. First, Podemos didn't exist back then. Also, they were hired by many other latin american countries, and also by the EU.
Re:Venezuela’s Currency Has Had its Biggest Monthly Collapse by danmaz74 on Thursday November 24, 2016 @05:26PM (#13033167)
And Spain doesn't even have the oil Venezuela has...
Re:Venezuela’s Currency Has Had its Biggest Monthly Collapse by adventured on Thursday November 24, 2016 @06:55PM (#13033559)
The most interesting thing about Venezuela's oil, is that by the time they could get around to extracting any meaningful volume (in proportion to the total), oil will have lost the majority of its demand. Venezuela has maybe 30 years tops to extract as much oil as they can before the bottom falls out. The odds are, they'll never see even a small fraction of that wealth extracted, it'll remain in the ground and the time of oil will pass.
Re:Venezuela’s Currency Has Had its Biggest Monthly Collapse by StavrosK on Thursday November 24, 2016 @08:09PM (#13033802)
I don't know if the time of oil will pass this soon, we make plastics from it and it's still the best store of energy we know of (in terms of calories per unit of weight). Batteries are nowhere near.
Re:Venezuela’s Currency Has Had its Biggest Monthly Collapse by adventured on Thursday November 24, 2016 @09:12PM (#13033989)
You're referring to today. 30 years is a long time technologically. Especially given the extreme market pressure that is beginning in regards to electric vehicles and home + utility storage. You've no doubt seen the lithium storage to price curve and that's pathetic battery technology compared to what is ahead of us. Batteries will improve dramatically in all regards (battery skeptics previously universally failed to predict the lithium battery price plunge).

My premise is that the majority of oil demand will be gone in 30 years or so, not all of it. Losing the automobile industry to electric (nothing can stop that over the coming 30 years) will cut oil demand in half globally without anything else changing. Venezuela is cursed with mediocre quality oil that isn't easily extracted, so they'll be the first losers as oil demand falls (Saudi Arabia, Iran, Iraq, Kuwait, Russia as low cost producers will be the last standing and will fill that last 50% of the market that more slowly erodes).

Re:Venezuela’s Currency Has Had its Biggest Monthly Collapse by aclsid on Thursday November 24, 2016 @10:06PM (#13034161)
I think the oil companies would disagree with you. Even with electric cars and whatnot, look up the figures, oil consumption around the world just keeps increasing, and more to the point, some nations are running out of it, at least for exports.

Venezuela still has a lot of light crude oil, and also the large heavy crude deposits, which is still cheaper to refine than shale oil for instance. The industry here still has not even touched all the offshore resources properly and it is mostly suffering from lack of investment, especially in exploration for new wells.

And in the end, when all that is consumed we will probably turn to the uranium and God knows other minerals in the Amazon, instead of properly developing and diversifying the economy.

Re:Venezuela’s Currency Has Had its Biggest Monthly Collapse by Findeton on Friday November 25, 2016 @07:45AM (#13036327)
No one in Spain is defending this model, that's a lie. BTW things started to go real bad after Hugo Chávez was dead and buried.