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Re:Apple Abandons Development of Wireless Routers by tptacek on Monday November 21, 2016 @09:34AM (#13005636)
I've had Apple base stations. I don't anymore. Not because I don't like the Apple base stations, but because I just don't care. I almost never interact with my wireless router (the only time I've done it in the past year was to accomplish something that the Airport Express can't even do). I didn't find my current wireless router to be any more difficult to set up than the Airport was.

Also: don't most people get their wireless service from their cable router now?

I don't think Apple has a comparative advantage in providing wireless routers. That's not to say that there's no advantage to be found in producing excellent wireless routers: there are companies trying to do this today, but Apple isn't one of them.

Re:Apple Abandons Development of Wireless Routers by acdha on Monday November 21, 2016 @10:01AM (#13005843)
> Also: don't most people get their wireless service from their cable router now?

I think this is the key part: thinking about my friends and family, over the last few years everyone has switched to using the box which came from their ISP except for a few IT people and gamers.

This is generally a good thing since the ISPs are significantly more likely to install security updates, and WiFi speeds exceeded the average home internet connection somewhere around a decade ago so the benefits to buying your own are fairly limited for most people.

Re:Apple Abandons Development of Wireless Routers by vetinari on Monday November 21, 2016 @10:48AM (#13006237)
> WiFi speeds exceeded the average home internet connection somewhere around a decade ago

Depends where you live. There are ISPs that will get you 250 Mbit downstream via FTTH, but their WiFi supports only 802.11n over 2.4 GHz only. When your neighbors get similar setup, you will not get over WiFi anything that approaches your Internet speed.

Re:Apple Abandons Development of Wireless Routers by acdha on Monday November 21, 2016 @11:17AM (#13006515)
Definitely - my point was simply that the annual FCC broadband reports don't show the average U.S. connection anywhere near that speed.
Re:Apple Abandons Development of Wireless Routers by SyneRyder on Monday November 21, 2016 @10:51AM (#13006257)
ISPs failing to provide security updates is a specific reason I'm worried about this, I felt Apple was more likely to care about security than ISPs. There's an Australian ISP that issued exactly one firmware patch for the router they sold, and hasn't updated it in over 2 years. Not even post-Mirai....
Re:Apple Abandons Development of Wireless Routers by jdalgetty on Monday November 21, 2016 @11:00AM (#13006367)
I kept getting notices from my ISP that I was downloading HBO torrents. Turns out my ISP supplied router was compromised. So much for regular security updates!
Re:Apple Abandons Development of Wireless Routers by Bud on Monday November 21, 2016 @11:40AM (#13006714)
ISPs are emphatically NOT "significantly more likely to install security updates" than Apple is. That's hilariously wrong.
Re:Apple Abandons Development of Wireless Routers by acdha on Monday November 21, 2016 @12:18PM (#13007038)
That's not what I said: they're more likely to install updates than the average user. It doesn't matter if Apple releases an update if the user just ignores it, and the support lifetime for these devices tends to be years shorter than the interval where most people will pay for a new device.
Re:Apple Abandons Development of Wireless Routers by closeparen on Tuesday November 22, 2016 @01:45AM (#13012150)
My go-to fix for crappy wireless for friends and family is to plug a $50 BestBuy access point into the piece of shit Comcast ships. Night and day.

People think they need repeaters, cable installation, all kind of expensive and worrying projects... nope, just use a real wireless router instead of the Comcast box.

Re:Apple Abandons Development of Wireless Routers by Aaargh20318 on Monday November 21, 2016 @10:10AM (#13005916)
> Also: don't most people get their wireless service from their cable router now?

Yes they do, but they shouldn't.

The problem is that you place your all-in-one cable-modem-router-AP at the point where the cable enters your house. This is unlikely to be the ideal position to place an access point.

For example, my fiber connection enters my home at one of the corners of the house. You want your AP in a central location.

Re:Apple Abandons Development of Wireless Routers by wglb on Monday November 21, 2016 @11:38AM (#13006700)
I tend to agree. But in my house now, a three story, the AP is in the basement at the corner of the house. Surprisingly, I have zero trouble with all my devices connecting to it.

Are you thinking of other issues besides signal strength?

Re:Apple Abandons Development of Wireless Routers by wastedhours on Monday November 21, 2016 @10:25AM (#13006024)
Exactly, there's almost no benefit to them to push the state of the art as they're not an end user product at present (whether or not that should be the case is up for debate, but since most people don't care).

Apple is nudging consumer behaviour with each product transition - I wouldn't be entirely surprised if we start seeing more devices with mobile data built in (say, with an antenna behind the logo or behind the Touch Bar).

Re:Apple Abandons Development of Wireless Routers by whitepoplar on Monday November 21, 2016 @09:58AM (#13005819)
What do you think is the best router for general home use, given your security expertise?
Re:Apple Abandons Development of Wireless Routers by jlgaddis on Monday November 21, 2016 @06:39PM (#13010334)
I'm also not who you asked but I'll jump in anyways.

I'm a network engineer and use pretty much "enterprise" gear across the board at home. A couple of years ago, though, I yanked out my Cisco ASA firewall (connecting my home network to my ISP) and replaced it. I'm now using a (expensive) "RouterMaxx 1106" [0] (PDF) as my home router. It was designed for and shipped with Mikrotik RouterOS but I replaced that with pfSense, initially, and then switched, later, to OpenBSD. It Just Works(TM).

The hardware, for the most part, doesn't matter too much. The software you choose is much more important, in my opinion. Choose something that can be tuned and locked down as needed and, critically, gets updated regularly. I'm a "CLI guy" and quite comfortable with OpenBSD and a terminal so this setup works for me. For those desiring a point-and-click web-based method of administration, pfSense, OpenWRT, and similar may better serve their needs.

n.b.: FWIW, my router doesn't provide Wi-Fi, only (6 x 1000 Mbit) wired Ethernet. I have been using an Aerohive AP330 access point but am currently replacing it with a Ubiquiti Unifi AP AC PRO.

[0]: http://www.balticnetworks.com/docs/routermaxx%206%20port.pdf (PDF)

Re:Apple Abandons Development of Wireless Routers by ryao on Monday November 21, 2016 @12:08PM (#13006966)
I am not the one you asked, but I have become a fan of Ubiquiti's ER-X due to the performance of the small queue, its low cost and Swiss Army knife like feature set. I have not run into anything that it cannot do yet (unless pushing more than 180Mbps through the smart queue counts).