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Re:Ad blockers are part of the problem by omginternets on Monday November 21, 2016 @08:11AM (#13005086)
>So how should he fund his work?

He should serve ads I want to consume. This is the norm: it's called native advertising.

Exactly how he goes about doing this is frankly his problem, but the bottom line is that the advertisment should also have value for me as a consumer. It should be informative, unintrusive, well-designed and enjoyable. This can take the form of sponsored posts, for instance (with the usual caveats surrounding such things).

What I'm propsing is not rare. Pocket does this extremely well. It does imply, however, that you can't lazily slap a link somewhere on a site.

Re:Ad blockers are part of the problem by Doctor_Fegg on Monday November 21, 2016 @08:20AM (#13005126)
I used to work as a print magazine editor.

"Advertorial", as native advertising in print was called, was loathed and rightly so. It was viewed as a way to hoodwink the reader, suggesting to them that this advertising copy ("buy this car, it's great!") came with the impartial seal of approval of the editorial staff. There would be a little "Sponsored Content" disclaimer at the top, but it was easily missed. Every editor I knew would strongly resist the sales staff's attempt to get us to run advertorials.

By contrast, display advertising - brash, colourful, couldn't be mistaken for editorial - was understood not to be in conflict. Occasionally an advertiser would threaten to pull their ads because we'd written something they didn't like (Casio once pulled all their advertising after I reviewed a terrible digital piano of theirs and pointed out how terrible it was). Our response was generally "ta-ra then".

There's some irony that we've now come 180°, and on the web, advertorials are considered good, display advertising bad.

Re:Ad blockers are part of the problem by omginternets on Monday November 21, 2016 @08:30AM (#13005194)
Certain magazines (Time, Newsweek, The Atlantic, ...) have journalistic responsibilities. Web sites like troyhunt.com do not. This is the crucial difference.

I don't care that a commercial site is trying to sell me stuff. I do care that journalists -- who serve a crucial political and social function -- are actually peddling widgets for the ACME corporation instead of acting in the public interest.

As such, advertorials are a problem in journalism, but not in commerce (provided they are well-labeled, etc).

Re:Ad blockers are part of the problem by johneth on Monday November 21, 2016 @08:15AM (#13005103)
> He should serve ads I want to consume. This is the norm: it's called native advertising.

You enjoy consuming glorified PR pieces, that aren't distinguished as such? To me, that seems much more underhanded and deceitful that a simple sponsorship message, or even something like AdSense. At least they're distinguished from content. In my opinion, there are too many ethical issues surrounding native advertising, not least of which is the distortion of content.

Re:Ad blockers are part of the problem by omginternets on Monday November 21, 2016 @08:23AM (#13005147)
I do when they are signaled and add value. The second bit it crucial. If it's just a simple plug, I'm likely to hate it. If it provides a service (e.g.: informs me about a topic I'm interested in), then it suddenly becomes acceptable.

So no, I don't enjoy consuming glorified PR pieces that aren't distinguished as such, but that's not what I'm advocating.

Re:Ad blockers are part of the problem by CountSessine on Monday November 21, 2016 @12:49PM (#13007321)
Exactly how he goes about doing this is frankly his problem, but the bottom line is that the advertisment should also have value for me as a consumer.

Surely you have to be at least a bit aware of the fact that the only way to serve ads that you, omginternets, will find value in would be to track you and your viewing and buying habits all over the internet, right? Which is one of the things that adblockers seek to circumvent...

It should be informative, unintrusive, well-designed and enjoyable. This can take the form of sponsored posts, for instance (with the usual caveats surrounding such things).

But this was a sponsored post? And you still seem to be pretty indignant about it. In fact you called troyhunt "part of the problem".

Re:Ad blockers are part of the problem by omginternets on Tuesday November 22, 2016 @01:48PM (#13016401)
>Surely you have to be at least a bit aware of the fact that the only way to serve ads that you, omginternets, will find value in would be to track you and your viewing and buying habits all over the internet, right? Which is one of the things that adblockers seek to circumvent...

And surely I have, despite your strangely snide tone.

This is where relevance is particularly important: the pot has to be pretty sweet for me to accept tracking.

Re:Ad blockers are part of the problem by CountSessine on Tuesday November 22, 2016 @02:42PM (#13016912)
And surely I have, despite your strangely snide tone.

Sorry - no snideness intended. It seemed like a bit of a contradiction to me, that's all.

I myself believe that web advertising is just completely broken; I use an ad-blocker for safety and because on mobile the browsing difference with and without an ad blocker is like night vs day. But I'm also very aware that a lot of creative people earn their livings with advertising and I'm hoping we can figure out a good technological solution to this problem of making web advertising less-awful. Maybe micro-transactions. Maybe an <advertisement> tag that lives outside the DOM and doesn't affect page loading. I don't know.