Who cares about environmental friendliness? Liberals. Who has the money to pay extra for environmentally friendly products? Well-to-do liberals. I don't really understand how you think things could have gone differently.

Many environmental things have left the left/right discourse such as not being exposed to nuclear radiation or reducing smog to lead to breathable air.

Conservatives are unlikely to be OK with someone knowingly and intentionally exposing people to fatal levels of radiation in the way they are OK with adverse ecological systems.

It needs to leave the intellectual space of optional or preferential discourse and enter the one of rights and crimes.

> Conservatives are unlikely to be OK with someone knowingly and intentionally exposing people to fatal levels of radiation in the way they are OK with adverse ecological systems.

I don't think that's true. They defended the cigarette industry, for example. They oppose laws and regulations protecting people in the workplace. They support and encourage law enforcement's abuse of the poor and minorities.

> It needs to leave the intellectual space of optional or preferential discourse and enter the one of rights and crimes.

That would help, but for many it's about ideology and greed and not about rational debate.

There's arguably a distinction to be made between what self identified conservatives believe and the PR campaigns which seek to align themselves with conservatives and attempt to hoodwink those people into supporting.

For instance, if a beer commercial was jingoistic and patriotic, we'd probably agree that it was a marketing tactic and not necessarily the drinking choice of nationalists.

> There's arguably a distinction to be made between what self identified conservatives believe and the PR campaigns which seek to align themselves

I agree, but many self-identified conservatives believe these things, according to polls.

Consumer product prices will always race to the bottom. Environmental protections with non-zero costs will therefore always take a back seat to a more competitive price.

I agree in principle with your sentiment; however, I have yet to come up with an alternative which does not involve strong environmental legislation. Which, in the US at least, is only likely to happen after it's too late, if ever.

Yes agree, just look at canned tuna. How is it acceptable to sell products that kill dolphines? Yet "dophin friendly" is treated as a marketing thing. It is like having a note saying "no kittens strangled" on a bottle of milk. It would be better to require objective ethical discolsure upfront on products. So you have "child labour may have been used" alongside the fat content and ingredients.

These regulatory outcomes are what we get when corporations have regulatory capture.

> The worst move the environmental movement did is let the environmentally sensitive product be associated with consumption by a rich liberal urban elite.

I'm pretty sure this move was made by the 'anti-environmentalists', including big industry and those fighting the ideological war against 'liberalism'. They would have found a way to discredit it among their followers - if not this way, than another.

Even these terms are from their propaganda, but lots of people repeat them as if they have meaning and represent something real.

> rich liberal urban elite.

> limousine liberal

I think you've got some homework to do on the etymology of those terms. They were pretty intentionally used here.

Please drop the condescencion.

I didn't say the terms were unintentionally used, I said they were empty stereotypes from conservative propaganda.

Regarding their emptiness: Can you define the terms? Do you have some data to back up the existence of the demographic and their purported behavior?

Those are the kind of "up market" consumers you want to target new expensive products to. Eventually they'll trickle down to other people when they realize it'll save them money (after economies of scale have been reached, R&D expenses paid off, etc). For example fake meat products right now is being targeted to "elite" coastal types. But once this stuff is really good, and really cheap it might disrupt traditional meat products.