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Re:Stoicism: Indifference is a power by zeteo on Saturday November 19, 2016 @02:14PM (#12995076)
After reading a fair amount about Stoicism and still being unclear, I've found a good summary in Adam Smith's almost forgotten classic, "The Theory of Moral Sentiments" (1759) [1]:

"Human life the Stoics appear to have considered as a game of great skill; in which, however, there was a mixture of chance [...] In such games the stake is commonly a trifle, and the whole pleasure of the game arises from playing well, from playing fairly, and playing skilfully. If notwithstanding all his skill, however, the good player should, by the influence of chance, happen to lose, the loss ought to be a matter, rather of merriment, than of serious sorrow. He has made no false stroke; he has done nothing which he ought to be ashamed of; he has enjoyed completely the whole pleasure of the game. [...]

Our only anxious concern ought to be, not about the stake, but about the proper method of playing. If we placed our happiness in winning the stake, we placed it in what depended upon causes beyond our power, and out of our direction. We necessarily exposed ourselves to perpetual fear and uneasiness, and frequently to grievous and mortifying disappointments. If we placed it in playing well, in playing fairly, in playing wisely and skilfully; in the propriety of our own conduct in short; we placed it in what, by proper discipline, education, and attention, might be altogether in our own power, and under our own direction. Our happiness was perfectly secure, and beyond the reach of fortune."

[1] http://www.econlib.org/library/Smith/smMS7.html

Re:Stoicism: Indifference is a power by noam87 on Saturday November 19, 2016 @07:26PM (#12996542)
I have this great collection from 1901 "World's Best Essays" -- 9 tomes. Everything from Seneca to Adam Smith.

It's sad how much knowledge and social/ethical advancement is being forgotten. Our schools and universities are failing society. We're just going to keep making the same mistakes.

Edit: 10 volumes.

Re:Stoicism: Indifference is a power by supergarfield on Saturday November 19, 2016 @07:54PM (#12996648)
It's not being forgotten. It was never widely known to begin with. Intellectual elites still know it, and if anything they've probably been growing relative to the entire population.

I feel like at best one could argue that those elites have less influence on the deciders of the world (at least those that are not part of them).

Re:Stoicism: Indifference is a power by peller on Saturday November 19, 2016 @07:36PM (#12996588)
This beast? https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/001438712

Any recommendations?

Re:Stoicism: Indifference is a power by contras1970 on Sunday November 20, 2016 @12:19PM (#12999874)
in zsh:

  for i in {01..10}; do curl -LO https://archive.org/download/worldsbestessays${i}brew/worldsbestessays${i}brew.pdf; done
Re:Stoicism: Indifference is a power by peller on Sunday November 20, 2016 @01:15PM (#13000190)
This is valid bash too.

(If you don't know, you're probably running bash.)

Re:Stoicism: Indifference is a power by jodrellblank on Tuesday November 22, 2016 @01:16AM (#13012009)
In PowerShell:

    1..10 |%{ $s = 'worldsbestessays{0:d2}brew' -f $_; iwr "https://archive.org/download/$s/$s.pdf" -O "$s.pdf" }

    (% -> ForEach-Object; -f -> string format operator; iwr -> Invoke-WebRequest; -O -> -OutputFile parameter)
Re:Stoicism: Indifference is a power by wdr1 on Saturday November 19, 2016 @10:31PM (#12997110)
Is there a kindle friendly version?
Re:Stoicism: Indifference is a power by ctchocula on Sunday November 20, 2016 @06:14AM (#12998280)
Based on the "Full Text", it looks like they used an automatic OCR to obtain the text from the PDFs, so they are full of many spelling and formatting mistakes. I prefer to get the B/W pdf and split it into files that are small enough not to lag on the Kindle hardware (I have the 2nd generation).
Re:Stoicism: Indifference is a power by jlj on Sunday November 20, 2016 @03:05AM (#12997843)
It was hard to find so thought I'd share. First go to the full-screen page, then click the "about this book" icon ("i" within a circle). There are links to the following: PDF Plain Text DAISY ePub Send to Kindle
Re:Stoicism: Indifference is a power by abrown28 on Saturday November 19, 2016 @11:39PM (#12997304)
Look on the right side of the above links
Re:Stoicism: Indifference is a power by noam87 on Saturday November 19, 2016 @07:37PM (#12996590)
All nine volumes :)
Re:Stoicism: Indifference is a power by bambax on Saturday November 19, 2016 @07:58PM (#12996663)
There appears to be ten of them?
Re:Stoicism: Indifference is a power by ArkyBeagle on Sunday November 20, 2016 @01:32PM (#13000282)
It's always been there and is pretty heavily subsidized - it's good enough stuff that the actual intelligentsia ( as opposed to .. tourists like myself ) considers it a critical resource. It doesn't cost that much to preserve, either. What do you think the old guys at, say, Cambridge study? You see the odd Classics scholar on BookTv now and again, and it's ( for me ) riveting stuff.

It's just that mass culture has blown up so big so fast - driven by technological change - that it seems to get smaller.

It doesn't help that the Stoics were explicitly targeted by the Christians early in the Christianized Byzantine Roman Empire. You can see this in action in YouTube videos of Christopher Hitchens debating various Christian thinkers.

Re:Stoicism: Indifference is a power by adrianratnapala on Saturday November 19, 2016 @06:01PM (#12996226)
Doh! I thought I was onto something when I read Bertrand Russell critise the Stoics and thought "Don't you get it fool! To them, life is like football: play hard, play fair, that's what counts".

And, as I should have expected, Adam Smith has anticipated us all. I find it pretty funny that Smith doesn't even get a mention in Russell's history of western philosophy.

Re:Stoicism: Indifference is a power by ArkyBeagle on Sunday November 20, 2016 @01:34PM (#13000293)
I suspect Smith was ahead of Russel at his best. As I recall, Smith gets good treatment by many other historians.
Re:Stoicism: Indifference is a power by phil_s_stein on Sunday November 20, 2016 @10:01AM (#12999132)
This reminds me of a quote by Renier Knizia, the boardgame designer, about playing boardgames: "When playing a game, the goal is to win, but it is the goal that is important, not the winning".
Re:Stoicism: Indifference is a power by calinet6 on Sunday November 20, 2016 @09:19AM (#12998949)
So many parallels to Zen here. Fascinating. For others, if you like this type of thinking, then I would recommend checking out the much larger body of resources and practices around Zen Buddhism.
Re:Stoicism: Indifference is a power by offa on Monday November 21, 2016 @10:38AM (#13006136)
What books/essays would you recommend to start with?
Re:Stoicism: Indifference is a power by ElonsMosque on Saturday November 19, 2016 @06:14PM (#12996282)
Reading that felt strangely liberating. It's a refreshing and eloquent reiteration of the whole idea of the goal being the journey and vice versa. Contrary to what modern society has instilled in us..
Re:Stoicism: Indifference is a power by TeMPOraL on Saturday November 19, 2016 @09:48PM (#12996994)
Society sure loves mixed signals. I always had the impression the modern culture tries to push exactly the "journey is the goal" idea into people, and I vehemently dislike it. To use a silly example, if I want to eat pizza, I do want to get the goddamn pizza, I definitely don't want to "enjoy the journey" of calling up the joint and placing the order.

Or in more general terms, focusing on the journey instead of the goal leads to complete detachment from reality - running in circles and enjoying the patterns of your own thoughts, like a stoned hippie. It's vegetation, not life.

I do read Adam Smith's quote differently - the way I understand it, it says to focus on a goal, but to derive happiness from the process and make that happiness independent of whether or not the goal will be ultimately achieved. An impossible thing to do in full, but definitely worth pursuing.

Re:Stoicism: Indifference is a power by exergy on Sunday November 20, 2016 @01:51AM (#12997658)
Wow, that's a really interesting point. I've definitely seen the "enjoying the patterns of your own thought" thing with Leo from Zen Habits for example. He seems to rehash previous articles all the time, and I haven't heard a new thought come from him in years. No disrespect to him, he's probably found his contentment, but just an observation.
Re:Stoicism: Indifference is a power by wcummings on Sunday November 20, 2016 @09:28PM (#13002628)
>running in circles and enjoying the patterns of your own thoughts

Sounds pretty attractive to me

Re:Stoicism: Indifference is a power by TeMPOraL on Sunday November 20, 2016 @10:18PM (#13002877)
For a while, yes. But that's essentially wireheading without the wire ;). Feels pretty shallow to me.

(Then again, we wouldn't have most of our problems in this world if we just stuck to being stoned hippie self-wireheaded cavedwellers ;).)

Re:Stoicism: Indifference is a power by grzm on Sunday November 20, 2016 @09:37PM (#13002668)
As long as the thoughts are helpful, that can be attractive for a short period. Often, they're not. Easy to get caught up in, and, even if they're positive, there is a big wide world out there that we have to engage in on some level, if only to satisfy our basic needs.

Edit to add: Just noticed one of your other comments, on paying attention to driving :)

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13002601

Re:Stoicism: Indifference is a power by digi_owl on Sunday November 20, 2016 @03:07AM (#12997848)
Because said instillment has been done to give the industries and outlet for their products. that we should always be wanting something new, something "better" (as defined by the industries, not you or me). Turn on a TV, radio, read a magazine, newspaper, or even web sites, and we get carped bombed by this message.
Re:Stoicism: Indifference is a power by abhianet on Saturday November 19, 2016 @10:24PM (#12997081)
Truly forgotten. I have read a number of works by Smith but never came across this one. Would be adding this to me reading-list.

On a side note, this sounds a lot like The Bhagvad Gita[1]. Is there a relationship between these two works, or is it just great minds thinking alike?

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bhagavad_Gita#Karma_yoga

[EDIT]: Grammer

Re:Stoicism: Indifference is a power by xianshou on Sunday November 20, 2016 @04:25AM (#12998051)
*Grammar

(Sorry)

Re:Stoicism: Indifference is a power by keeptrying on Sunday November 20, 2016 @11:41AM (#12999661)
Even if you believe the importance is to have played well, you can still fall into the trap of regretting how you played before.

The mind can generate demons in most any form.

Re:Stoicism: Indifference is a power by ArkyBeagle on Sunday November 20, 2016 @01:34PM (#13000297)
The thing is to recognize them as demons and ignore them. That's the ... fundamental idea behind Stoicism.
Re:Stoicism: Indifference is a power by the_cat_kittles on Saturday November 19, 2016 @02:33PM (#12995172)
i mean that is just fantastic. ive believed that for so long and never realized it. thank you so much for posting.
Re:Stoicism: Indifference is a power by narutouzumaki on Saturday November 19, 2016 @05:20PM (#12996037)
Wow. I do not have much to say except that these lines have made me understand a lot. Or maybe it has always already been there but never formulated so clearly and poignant. Thanks!
Re:Stoicism: Indifference is a power by rhizome on Saturday November 19, 2016 @04:37PM (#12995831)
OT, but that dude sure liked commas.
Re:Stoicism: Indifference is a power by welanes on Saturday November 19, 2016 @06:06PM (#12996252)
An alternative definition:

> Stoicism means never having to say, "Gee, I really lost my sh*t back there."