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Re:Robots and industrialization in developing countries [pdf] by dublinben on Friday November 18, 2016 @10:58PM (#12992006)
In democratic states, the people themselves are sovereign. They simply won't stand for the level of unemployment that mass automation will bring.
Re:Robots and industrialization in developing countries [pdf] by nine_k on Friday November 18, 2016 @11:19PM (#12992049)
How exactly they "won't stand"?

For instance, they won't allow automation of this kind on their ground. As Ned Ludd would have it, they will keep the machines out and the humans in.

Suddenly their production is much costlier that what the robot-running neighbors produce. They can't export it (nobody would buy), but they can still locally consume it. But for that they need to limit the imports of the same thing to keep the prices up.

As the list of robot-produced goods grows, more and more import restrictions are added, and things cheaply available abroad become dear and inaccessible in the country.

I don't think a democratic government with a policy like that will last too long.

It looks more interesting to think how to distribute the ownership, a share in a huge robotic factory so that it is not easily falls under control of a single person or a small group. It might be an interesting game-theoretic problem.

Re:Robots and industrialization in developing countries [pdf] by ethbro on Saturday November 19, 2016 @12:18AM (#12992207)
Competition of democratic labor against automation is an interesting way to look at the current US popular support for tariffs and trade barriers.

Popular wisdom seems to look at China / Mexico manufacturing as supported by low labor costs, but in reality they're more and more supported by capital-intensive automation (enabled by the systems engineering expertise at running the low-labor cost plants originally).

Re:Robots and industrialization in developing countries [pdf] by intended on Saturday November 19, 2016 @01:03AM (#12992305)
Well there a version of shared ownership under communism, but I don't think people are happy to consider that line of ideas
Re:Robots and industrialization in developing countries [pdf] by nine_k on Saturday November 19, 2016 @10:23AM (#12993837)
The problem is that under communism, it's usually not ownership. You can't take away or sell your "share". All "communist" states I know about degraded to bureaucracy-run states.

Truly communist institutions, e.g. some monasteries, just abolish the notion of propery. They need unusually and highly motivated people to operate, though, that are few and fail to be mass-produced.

Re:Robots and industrialization in developing countries [pdf] by vertex-four on Saturday November 19, 2016 @07:29AM (#12993195)
Once they're dying under an automated society which should be able to give them everything they need, social ownership over the means of production (some form of socialism, most likely) might seem a lot more palatable.
Re:Robots and industrialization in developing countries [pdf] by yaur on Saturday November 19, 2016 @01:49AM (#12992390)
Welcome to the industrial revolution 2.0 where we once again have to wrestle with the question of who owns the means of production. Its an interesting problem and one that has been study a lot but not solved.
Re:Robots and industrialization in developing countries [pdf] by cmurf on Saturday November 19, 2016 @01:57AM (#12992404)
How did the Great Depression happen, and continue to happen before democracy kicked in?
Re:Robots and industrialization in developing countries [pdf] by up_so_floating on Friday November 18, 2016 @11:11PM (#12992038)
Absolutely, and let's hope we find ourselves in a democratic state at such a time.
Re:Robots and industrialization in developing countries [pdf] by chiefalchemist on Friday November 18, 2016 @11:33PM (#12992091)
Exactly. The shift is already on. So I guess that means the democracy is done. Given the election that might be true.