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Re:A Conversation with Dan Ariely About What Shapes Our Moti... by chongli on Friday November 18, 2016 @01:58PM (#12989160)
I heard about Ariely's research a few years ago and found it very exciting at the time. Now I find it unsettling. I can't help but think that an employer may gain insights from this research in order to undercompensate workers and exploit their psychology. The idea that employers already attempt to cultivate an atmosphere of family at work is deeply troubling.

I think Slavoj Žižek nails it when he describes the contrast between the old-school authoritarian boss and the post-modern boss [0].

[0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5dNbWGaaxWM

Re:A Conversation with Dan Ariely About What Shapes Our Moti... by bduerst on Friday November 18, 2016 @03:17PM (#12989746)
Why is this troubling? Before we had today's military-style old-school authoritarian corporate structure, Artisan guild economies were very family-like.

It's not under-compensation if the worker is getting more of what they want. Even Žižek says that the authoritarian style assumes that you know what the workers want more than they know themselves, and you're assuming that they want monetary compensation more.

Re:A Conversation with Dan Ariely About What Shapes Our Moti... by chongli on Friday November 18, 2016 @04:17PM (#12990150)
The difference with a family-like artisan guild is that the workers themselves own the means of production, unlike today's typical corporate structure. Žižek's stated preference for the in-your-face authoritarian style is underpinned by his Marxist background. He wants the boss to get in your face so that you are better able to rebel against capitalism.

He sees this post-modern soft totalitarian style as far more threatening to the worker's liberty. Like with a cult, a prostitution ring, or organized crime, any situation where a person is convinced that they are part of a family in order to exploit them is dangerous to our free society.

Re:A Conversation with Dan Ariely About What Shapes Our Moti... by bduerst on Monday November 21, 2016 @01:41PM (#13007905)
I think there is a difference between identifying and supplying workers with what they know they want (family in the providing sense), with cults, prostitution rings, and organized crime (family in the extortion sense). The former doesn't necessarily mean the latter.

Also, in trade guilds, apprentices and journeyman rarely owned their own means of production.

Re:A Conversation with Dan Ariely About What Shapes Our Moti... by qwrusz on Friday November 18, 2016 @07:55PM (#12991318)
Behavioral Economics is exciting and unsettling.

The research also can be used by employees in order to be overcompensated by their bosses! Likewise it can be used to get faster promotions or increase an employee's chances they are chosen to keep their job vs being among those given pink slips should layoffs ever happen at their employer.

In my experience I have seen more employees discover and utilize insights from behavioral economics to their advantage than I have seen instances of managers using it to exploit their employees. Employees who spend a bunch of time researching best strategies to ask for a raise are often way more prepared for such a meeting than their manager.

After a raise, is the new higher salary "fair compensation"? Or is it now "overcompensation"?...Who knows, there is no right answer to this. That is part of Ariely's point. Things like "fairly compensated" or "under compensated" are really subjective - one should be careful not to apply their own such value statements too broadly. everyone needs to chill and rethink their assumptions.

Also don't worry too much. This stuff mainly only matters at the margins (hence these things are "hidden").

Re:A Conversation with Dan Ariely About What Shapes Our Moti... by lucaspiller on Saturday November 19, 2016 @02:49AM (#12992507)
Isn't this exactly what startups do now though? Catered lunches, snacks, beers kegs - but probably most importantly making you feel like a team player, part of the family, a "bro" (in a gender-neutral way).