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Re:Twitter Suspends Prominent Alt-Right Accounts by tootie on Wednesday November 16, 2016 @11:45PM (#12974366)
I disagree. I think there is most definitely a boundary between people with different opinions and people with opinions that are fundamentally at odds with living in a civilized society. "I don't like Goldman Sachs" is an opinion you can debate on its merits. "Kill all the Jew bankers" is not. The boundary is somewhere in between those two.

I can't speak to the particular accounts banned by Twitter, but the alt right have a carefully developed vocabulary designed explicitly to sneak across that boundary.

Re:Twitter Suspends Prominent Alt-Right Accounts by micaksica on Wednesday November 16, 2016 @11:54PM (#12974432)
> I think there is most definitely a boundary between people with different opinions and people with opinions that are fundamentally at odds with living in a civilized society.

In this statement, you are unilaterally making a rule as to what ideals are OK to hold as part of "civilized society", and where the boundary is. Stating your society is more "civilized" than another is an opinion in and of itself, and arguably those who hold views opposite yours likely think your societal views also contain hints of barbarism or offend human nature.

There are multiple ethical views that humanity and even this culture have held throughout the past century alone that the predominant society has now decided are reprehensible, that other nations consider reprehensible, and then there are also views that have been considered reprehensible now widely accepted by this culture.

Personally, my beef is not with whether or not people agree or disagree with these views; the argument in this subthread is external to my original message:

I'm tired of the Valley's progressive ideology consistently espousing acceptance, free organization, and free speech when we as an industry keep taking steps that seem against it when we disagree with the information provided. It is the message of social media: people should be able to communicate and unite worldwide. If we aren't radically upholding this belief, then we need to change the mantra to be aligned to what it actually means: associate with us, our ideas, and our worldview, and we will give you a voice. If you don't, your voice on this platform will be stripped, even if you are not engaged in attacking those that disagree with you.

Re:Twitter Suspends Prominent Alt-Right Accounts by tootie on Thursday November 17, 2016 @12:02AM (#12974483)
I didn't decide where it is, I'm just saying it's definitely there.
Re:Twitter Suspends Prominent Alt-Right Accounts by kbart on Thursday November 17, 2016 @02:34AM (#12975222)
""I don't like Goldman Sachs" is an opinion you can debate on its merits. "Kill all the Jew bankers" is not. The boundary is somewhere in between those two."

I don't agree. "Kill all the X" is a hate speech and, depending on context, a threat of violence -- we already have tools/laws to act against such, so there's no need for more censorship.

Re:Twitter Suspends Prominent Alt-Right Accounts by tootie on Thursday November 17, 2016 @10:52AM (#12978488)
I'm giving it as an example of something unequivocal. There is a ton of equivocal hate speech and Trump and his supporters were a boundless font of subtle, implied hate speech that never quite said what everyone heard. What about statements like when Trump said "2nd amendment people" could stop Hillary? Or simply spreading disinformation to demonize minorities by saying he saw Muslims celebrating in NJ? Or the classic line of being pro-white instead of anti-minority ? None of that is illegal but it doesn't mean it deserves a free open forum.
Re:Twitter Suspends Prominent Alt-Right Accounts by kbart on Friday November 18, 2016 @01:44AM (#12984854)
"None of that is illegal but it doesn't mean it deserves a free open forum."

Why not? If we silence them on few webpages, you think they simply will disappear? Trump as a president should be the wakeup call for everyone that forced, artificial politeness and political correctness won't make problems disappear.

Re:Twitter Suspends Prominent Alt-Right Accounts by exclusiv on Thursday November 17, 2016 @03:52AM (#12975638)
So true. Strategically most people should want people with those beliefs saying stuff like that publicly!

Does it make any sense to push the fringe away and offline when we can let them expose themselves and then monitor them?