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Re:The Spy Who Added Me on LinkedIn by mcbits on Wednesday November 16, 2016 @06:59PM (#12972862)
Red scare material packaged as a human interest story, now with a Democratic slant to adjust to a new Republican who is reportedly chummy with Russians. It's funny how they always say the KGB/SVR is the counterpart to the the CIA but never describe the CIA as the counterpart to the KGB/SVR.
Re:The Spy Who Added Me on LinkedIn by kafkaesq on Wednesday November 16, 2016 @08:21PM (#12973331)
Red scare material packaged as a human interest story, now with a Democratic slant to adjust to a new Republican who is reportedly chummy with Russians.

No, it's just routine (and useful) reporting on the everday business of spycraft.

It's funny how they always say the KGB/SVR is the counterpart to the the CIA but never describe the CIA as the counterpart to the KGB/SVR.

It's called an "analogy", and it's a pretty useful tool of expression. Particularly for describing "Y, the counterpart of X" where X is a large agency in the (very large) country you live in.

So really, I just don't get the "scare" component you're driving at.

Re:The Spy Who Added Me on LinkedIn by grzm on Wednesday November 16, 2016 @07:05PM (#12972902)
"It's funny how they always say the KGB/SVR is the counterpart to the the CIA but never describe the CIA as the counterpart to the KGB/SVR."

Is this a reference to "the SVR, Moscow’s version of the CIA"? Don't you usually use the construction "X is the counterpart to Y" when Y is the more familiar to the intended audience? I don't see anything sinister here, at least in this grammar construction.

Re:The Spy Who Added Me on LinkedIn by mcbits on Wednesday November 16, 2016 @07:15PM (#12972954)
It was in reference to that, in the context of the larger body of text that has been written about intelligence services. Even when the CIA is the subject, I don't think I've ever seen them presented as America's version of [other country's intelligence service] (especially not the bad guys). But the other direction has been so common over the years that it's begun to stand out when I see it.
Re:The Spy Who Added Me on LinkedIn by grzm on Wednesday November 16, 2016 @07:31PM (#12973050)
Like I said, to an English-speaking (arguably American, as Bloomberg is based in Manhattan) audience, it makes little sense to phrase it the other way. You compare the unknown with the known, not the other way around.

Compare:

"Pachinko, the Japanese version of a slot machine."

"A slot machine, the American version of pachinko."

Which version is intended for an American audience? Which for an audience familiar with Japan? There's nothing nefarious here.

If that stands out to you, I think you may be looking too hard for bias to the point where you're seeing things that aren't there. Keeping an eye out for bias is a good thing. It can be sometimes difficult to keep it calibrated.

Anyway, this is getting off-topic. I'm done.

Re:The Spy Who Added Me on LinkedIn by mcbits on Wednesday November 16, 2016 @09:20PM (#12973672)
The phrasing is not a sign of bias specifically. It's just a peculiarity that I've seen in this style of journalism going back to the Cold War era when "KGB" was a household word.

Maybe I've binged too much on 1970s and 1980s news with the benefit of hindsight, and it's coloring what I expect my perception of today's fluff pieces to be if I read them again in 30 years.

Re:The Spy Who Added Me on LinkedIn by caf on Wednesday November 16, 2016 @07:42PM (#12973122)
I think it's just because the SVR is not a household brand in the same way that the CIA is and the KGB was (you never saw the KGB described that way either).

The CIA, KGB and MI5 are Hollywood staples; the SVR isn't, yet.

(In a similar way GCHQ is often described as "the UK's counterpart to the NSA" or words to that effect).

Re:The Spy Who Added Me on LinkedIn by Tinyyy on Thursday November 17, 2016 @01:57AM (#12975030)
That's not a useful summary.
Re:The Spy Who Added Me on LinkedIn by sverige on Wednesday November 16, 2016 @07:02PM (#12972879)
The tl;drs miss the hilarious assertion that Russia is somehow responsible for the outcome of the election. Nevermind Assange's denials.

"The espionage story of the year, and perhaps one of the greatest foreign operations in decades, has undoubtedly been Russia’s successful effort to influence this fall’s presidential election through hacking—penetrating Democratic National Committee servers and the e-mail account of John Podesta, Hillary Clinton’s campaign chairman."

Re:The Spy Who Added Me on LinkedIn by mejari on Wednesday November 16, 2016 @07:17PM (#12972962)
Saying that it influenced the election isn't the same as saying that it is solely responsible for the outcome, don't be disingenuous.
Re:The Spy Who Added Me on LinkedIn by techthroway443 on Wednesday November 16, 2016 @07:35PM (#12973083)
Then maybe the author would do well not to frame it as such by avoiding lines like "one of the greatest foreign operations in decades"
Re:The Spy Who Added Me on LinkedIn by mejari on Wednesday November 16, 2016 @07:44PM (#12973133)
Why? Not unilaterally deciding the US presidential election isn't mutually exclusive with "one of the greatest foreign operations in decades". I might disagree with their assessment, but Russia did influence the election and someone could at least attempt the argument that it was "one of the greatest foreign operations in decades"
Re:The Spy Who Added Me on LinkedIn by alasdair_ on Wednesday November 16, 2016 @08:05PM (#12973243)
To be fair, cosmic rays also influenced the election. The degree of influence is unknown however.
Re:The Spy Who Added Me on LinkedIn by revelation on Wednesday November 16, 2016 @07:42PM (#12973123)
I love how a weak assertion made by the DNC to deflect attention away from the actual email content has now been silently elevated into a "fact" mindlessly parroted like here.
Re:The Spy Who Added Me on LinkedIn by mejari on Wednesday November 16, 2016 @07:45PM (#12973141)
"Silently elevated" by being the consensus opinion among the entire intelligence community.
Re:The Spy Who Added Me on LinkedIn by wavefunction on Wednesday November 16, 2016 @07:53PM (#12973188)
Why would we know? Why would they tell us?

Those are the questions you should be asking.

They may be telling the truth. They may be telling part of the truth. They may be lying.

Re:The Spy Who Added Me on LinkedIn by mejari on Wednesday November 16, 2016 @08:11PM (#12973277)
All of that is true, you should ask those questions. That doesn't mean one should lie and say that such accusations are fringe.
Re:The Spy Who Added Me on LinkedIn by revelation on Wednesday November 16, 2016 @08:23PM (#12973346)
I trust in DKIM signatures. Any statement by an intelligence service ever is caked in multiple layers of conflicting motivations from expanding their budget, pleasing their lax overseers, deflecting incompetence to confusing adversaries.

And these are just the generic reasons. In this particular case, the first obvious question is why NSA et al. would ever state their certainty in a Russian attack publicly. There are no good outcomes. Either they are right and the Russians blow up the bridges as they retreat or they are wrong and the Russians know they are incompetent.

Re:The Spy Who Added Me on LinkedIn by mejari on Wednesday November 16, 2016 @10:12PM (#12973917)
How would DKIM signatures show who stole the e-mails?

> I trust in DKIM signatures. Any statement by an intelligence service ever is caked in multiple layers of conflicting motivations from expanding their budget, pleasing their lax overseers, deflecting incompetence to confusing adversaries.

That is some of the motivations, the negative ones, but you fail to list all the reasons they wouldn't want to lie to make your argument sound stronger.

I understand being skeptical of an intelligence service, but all intelligence services? Well, you'd have to have a pretty strong reason to doubt.

Re:The Spy Who Added Me on LinkedIn by thewhitetulip on Thursday November 17, 2016 @01:42AM (#12974965)
Exactly, I was hoping for some details regarding this, but it seems that this line was added for catching eyeballs
Re:The Spy Who Added Me on LinkedIn by dsymonds on Wednesday November 16, 2016 @06:48PM (#12972773)
It's about Russian spies working on Wall Street, and them being busted by the FBI.

Nothing to do with LinkedIn as far as I can see.

Re:The Spy Who Added Me on LinkedIn by nxc18 on Wednesday November 16, 2016 @06:55PM (#12972828)
Its a play on the 'The Spy Who ___ Me' title meme. I thought it was very fun and did a good job communicating how mundane the lives of the spies really were, which appeared to be a thesis or at least supporting point of the article.

Tl;dr: Russian spy brought bug into secure facility, revealed other spies. FBI deals with it.

Re:The Spy Who Added Me on LinkedIn by brak1 on Wednesday November 16, 2016 @06:56PM (#12972831)
Not sure why LinkedIn is even mentioned... a quick search on the whole page (ignoring the title/post categories) is just this one sentence...

> By day, Buryakov lived the ordinary life of a Wall Street analyst: reading and writing reports; attending meetings, conferences, and parties; building connections on LinkedIn.

But its an interesting read, even with the weird title...

Re:The Spy Who Added Me on LinkedIn by duaneb on Wednesday November 16, 2016 @07:35PM (#12973086)
The title is alluding to James Bond. Poorly.
Re:The Spy Who Added Me on LinkedIn by wavefunction on Wednesday November 16, 2016 @07:54PM (#12973197)
I don't know. You caught the reference. Seems like it worked.
Re:The Spy Who Added Me on LinkedIn by duaneb on Wednesday November 16, 2016 @08:03PM (#12973233)
That I was able to work out the intention of a sentence does not mean the sentence should have existed in the first place. It's already used up more of my time than any actual content—why didn't they use a descriptive title?
Re:The Spy Who Added Me on LinkedIn by tedmiston on Wednesday November 16, 2016 @09:46PM (#12973818)
It made us click...
Re:The Spy Who Added Me on LinkedIn by duaneb on Thursday November 17, 2016 @11:51AM (#12979049)
Imagine the kind of clicks you'd get with a title that related to the content!