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Re:How thermometer and satellite data is adjusted and why it... by bsder on Tuesday November 15, 2016 @09:31PM (#12964071)
> You have no bureaucratic incentive to look for the opposite.

Totally false.

Data which proves the opposite of the general consensus and is scientifically defensible would be of massive impact.

Your name would be everywhere AND every climate change denier would be trumpeting your results. You would be famous AND well-funded for life.

The problem is that you WILL come under heavy scrutiny, so your data, methods, and conclusions better be beyond reproach. Everyone who has attempted to defend the opposite of the consensus, so far, has collapsed when challenged.

Re:How thermometer and satellite data is adjusted and why it... by arctictern on Wednesday November 16, 2016 @03:24AM (#12965324)
If only that were true. If you remember a few years ago, an experiment seemed to (incidentally) show particles travelling faster than the speed of light [1], which would have been an exception to Einstein's well established theory. The researchers, did not assert that their observation was valid, but instead were asking the wider community to help them find the flaw in their experiment. But just the remote possibility that there might be the obscurest of exceptions to the theory set the physics world abuzz. Had the observation been confirmed, the researchers would indeed be famous.

But in contrast, for example, studies have now effectively discredited the widespread and long-standing belief in the effectiveness of mammograms [2]. Are the authors of those studies rich and/or famous? Have we as a society redirected resources from executing and encouraging mammograms to potentially more effective solutions? Not really, I would say.

So why the discrepancy?

A number of reasons I'm sure, but imo the biggest factor is probably RTP (repeatably testable predictions). Fields of science where it's easy to make and test predictions tend to be very different (in quality) from fields where it is difficult/expensive/impossible to test predictions.

Guess which category climate science falls into?

The (not-yet-testable) long term predictions of the climate scientists may turn out to be right, but the shorter term testable ones have an unimpressive track record [3].

Genuine question: Does anyone here have confidence in the common agw claims based on their direct analysis of the data/science (rather than their analysis of the credibility of the parties)? If so, could you give a brief explanation?

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faster-than-light_neutrino_ano...

[2] http://www.bmj.com/content/348/bmj.g366

[3] http://www.stat.washington.edu/peter/statclim/fyfeetal.pdf

Re:How thermometer and satellite data is adjusted and why it... by andrewflnr on Wednesday November 16, 2016 @04:33AM (#12965602)
bsder's argument depends specifically on the highly political nature of the climate change question, so mammograms aren't exactly a good comparison.
Re:How thermometer and satellite data is adjusted and why it... by adrr on Wednesday November 16, 2016 @12:47AM (#12964819)
You don't work for NOAA as a scientist to become famous and rich. These are passion jobs. You get it from both sides. Publish something conservatives don't like, get hauled in front of congress to testify. Publish something environmentalist don't like get called a shill for the oil industry. Every side will twists your words and take statements out of context. Its pretty shitty how we treat our scientists.
Re:How thermometer and satellite data is adjusted and why it... by vixen99 on Wednesday November 16, 2016 @05:32AM (#12965875)
Rotten! And sometimes your 'good news' won't even make it to the headlines in certain publications as in the following.

"NOAA’s Storm Prediction Center indicate that as of today, the total count for 2016 of US tornadoes are fewest in a calendar year since record-keeping began in 1954."