Re:Facebook is 1-2% responsible for the election?
by quantumwannabe on Tuesday November 15, 2016 @02:14PM
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Trump's statement could have been interpreted in two different ways. One, Politifact's interpretation, is that he draws bigger crowds than Beyonce and Jay-Z at their concerts and another is that his rallies are bigger than Hillary's rallies where Beyonce/Jay-Z performed. I don't know if the second interpretation is true or not (as I haven't done the research), but the whichever one you choose to analyze shows your bias. Probably most Clinton-leaning folks would pick the first interpretation of Trump's statement and most Trump-leaning folks would pick the second. So from the perspective of a Trump supporter Politifact looks biased, but from your perspective they're an impartial fact checker.
Re:Facebook is 1-2% responsible for the election?
by jimbokun on Tuesday November 15, 2016 @05:53PM
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The point is THEY CITE THEIR SOURCES and lay out their analysis showing you exactly how they came to their conclusions. So the end result is the reader is more informed than before.
Also, Politifact sanely sticks to the common sense meanings of English words. Your interpretation of "bigger crowds than Beyonce and Jay-Z at Hillary's rallies" adds a qualifier beyond what was in the original quote.
Re:Facebook is 1-2% responsible for the election?
by makomk on Tuesday November 15, 2016 @08:56PM
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Except that what Trump originally said was: "She's not getting any crowds so she gets Beyoncé and Jay Z, I like them, I like them and you know that they do, I get bigger crowds then they do. It's true. I get far bigger crowds," referring to a Clinton rally a couple of days earlier headlined by them. It was Politifact that edited out this reference to Clinton's rallies, starting their clip from his speech not just in the middle of a sentence but the middle of a word. They don't give readers an easy way to find the uncut version either - I'd have to find and dig through a video of the entire speech to link it here.
NBC's fact check provides better context despite being far shorter and not citing a single source: http://www.nbcnews.com/card/not-even-close-trump-said-he-dra... The stuff Politifact cited is easy to check even without the citations, but their omissions are much harder to spot.
Re:Facebook is 1-2% responsible for the election?
by adnzzzzZ on Tuesday November 15, 2016 @01:41PM
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Bias can appear both in what facts they decide to cover and in how they cover it. The first part is the one people usually ignore and the easiest to hide. You can just fact check one person on their every sentence and not fact check the opponent on their every sentence. You can also decide to only fact check mostly true or true statements for one person and mostly false or false statements for the other person. You'd be performing proper fact checking most of the time, but you'd be helping one person more than the other.
A nihilistic viewpoint that nothing at all is knowable, because every source of information is equally suspect.
This is kind of why we humans invented science, you know, so we might actually figure out some things about the world.
Randomly selected Politifact article:
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/nov/...
Not just their opinion, but how they arrived at that opinion. Links to Billboard's data on Jay-Z and Beyonce's concert attendance, and Trump's own claims about his crowds.
Reality doesn't always just come down to differing opinions. Many things are actually knowable, to anyone willing to investigate and entertain the possibility they are wrong.