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Re:Whatsapp: Video Calling by onion2k on Tuesday November 15, 2016 @09:43AM (#12958343)
There is no us.

I think we actually agree with one another, but I'm just coming at the argument from a slightly more positive position. We, as the engineers who build stuff, need to start making it clear that we don't like what the bad actors do, that we won't build it ourselves, and the "asshole Investor/CEO/PM/programmer" who does won't have a place in our industry. You're quite right that we need systems in place to stop this shit, but you're quite wrong if you think it's someone else's job to make that happen. We can build the certification or market-based systems right now.

Re:Whatsapp: Video Calling by whack on Tuesday November 15, 2016 @03:23PM (#12961843)
Sorry if my previous message came across a bit harsh. I've been reading Chaos Monkeys lately and the author's style of writing is starting to rub off on me. I think we are indeed in agreement. As industry professionals, we do have the power to influence change. Not through wishful thinking or promises of good behavior, but by working to put in place certification/market-based systems that act as a check on bad corporate behavior. I hope we can start making progress towards those ends.