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Re:Ask HN: Have you done / plan to do any basic “prepping” (... by masonic on Monday November 14, 2016 @02:24AM (#12948086)
You made a very specific claim ("research shows that gun owners and their families are far, far more likely to be injured or killed by said firearm"), then when called on it, you threw out a number of quotes (from specifically anti-RKBA sources) unrelated to your claim.

That false claim is often quoted from the Kellerman study, but an examination of his data (it took years for him to release it) revealed that in almost all such homicides, it was a gun that the intruder brought with him (predominantly male) and not one the victim owned. (Kates, 2001) The residents' gun could have been locked up in the basement, and Kellerman counted it anyway.

Or, do you have different research in mind that supports that claim?

Re:Ask HN: Have you done / plan to do any basic “prepping” (... by ux-app on Monday November 14, 2016 @04:07AM (#12948492)
you've selectively quoted ;)

what I said was

"gun owners and their families are far, far more likely to be injured or killed by said firearm (accidentally, or intentionally) than they are to ever actually have the opportunity to use the gun for defence"

There's really no need to muddy the waters with politics. The raw data speaks for itself :

- violent home invasions leading to murder are exceedingly rare

- accidental gun injury or death is sadly commonplace

I've already supplied many sources, so i won't repeat the stats that plainly lay out this reality

Re:Ask HN: Have you done / plan to do any basic “prepping” (... by masonic on Monday November 14, 2016 @04:14AM (#12948517)

  what I said was...
No, what you said you preceded with "My understanding( is that research shows* that...", acknowledging that you hadn't actually done the research.

  The raw data speaks for itself
Then why won't you present any? Why can't you support this claim you keep repeating?

   accidental gun injury or death is sadly commonplace
Nobody has questioned that.
Re:Ask HN: Have you done / plan to do any basic “prepping” (... by ux-app on Monday November 14, 2016 @04:23AM (#12948554)
dude, c'mon :|

The data I've presented:

- Nationwide (USA), there are about 100 burglary-homicides every year.

- In 2010, unintentional firearm injuries caused the deaths of 606 people

Feel free to confirm the figures for yourself.

Re:Ask HN: Have you done / plan to do any basic “prepping” (... by masonic on Monday November 14, 2016 @04:27AM (#12948564)

  Nationwide, there are about 100 burglary-homicides every year.
Repeating: your source is?
Re:Ask HN: Have you done / plan to do any basic “prepping” (... by ux-app on Monday November 14, 2016 @04:45AM (#12948636)
As a criminologist you should be on top of this kind of info ;)

Here it is for you:

From the FBI[1]:

2013: Total Murders 12,253, during burglary: 94

From the CDC[2]:

2013: 505 deaths due to accidental/negligent discharge of a firearm + 281 deaths due to firearms-use with "undetermined intent"

[1]https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2013/crime-in-the-u.s.-...

[2]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence_in_the_United_Sta...