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Re:If Prisoners Ran Prisons by Red_Tarsius on Sunday November 13, 2016 @06:00PM (#12946252)
Thanks for your comment.

It seems that there are many unreported rapes in American prisons. When you read the real stories and how wardens don't care or enable such system, your faith in human nature is over. You realize how fucked up bureocrats are. If Americans – liberals and conservatives – truly cared about human rights they would have started a riot about such issues years ago. They set up a mass whining for the new president of US in less than 24 hours, people clearly don't care about the inhuman treatment of prisoners. Read the testimony of activist Stephen Donaldson. http://articles.latimes.com/1994-05-20/news/ls-60064_1_priso...

Re:If Prisoners Ran Prisons by saulrh on Sunday November 13, 2016 @06:24PM (#12946397)
Same with cars, global climate change, and pollution. People only know how to respond to events.
Re:If Prisoners Ran Prisons by cpkpad on Monday November 14, 2016 @06:41AM (#12949132)
You're confusing corruption for incompetence.
Re:If Prisoners Ran Prisons by danharaj on Sunday November 13, 2016 @07:17PM (#12946617)
It's true. You have to look far outside of the system to find people who take prison abolition seriously. Anarchists, mostly.
Re:If Prisoners Ran Prisons by matwood on Sunday November 13, 2016 @08:03PM (#12946762)
Step 1 is do not look to abolish prison. When you start with such an extreme position no one is going to listen.
Re:If Prisoners Ran Prisons by danharaj on Sunday November 13, 2016 @09:13PM (#12947056)
Considering that prisons in their current form overflowing with brutality and cruelty are an acceptable mainstream position, I'd rather not care about being extreme. If one believes that prisons as a structure inevitably lead to arbitrarily bad abuse of power, then one is for the abolition of prison.
Re:If Prisoners Ran Prisons by burfog on Sunday November 13, 2016 @09:56PM (#12947206)
Without prison, people would demand eye-for-an-eye justice. Without that either, people would dish it out themselves. We'd be back to lynchings.

Be careful what you wish for.

Re:If Prisoners Ran Prisons by danharaj on Monday November 14, 2016 @06:27PM (#12954295)
Lynchings were aided and abetted by the state and the prison-industrial complex.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternatives_to_incarceration

Re:If Prisoners Ran Prisons by andrepd on Sunday November 13, 2016 @10:33PM (#12947332)
What do you propose as an alternative? No law enforcement at all?
Re:If Prisoners Ran Prisons by danharaj on Monday November 14, 2016 @06:26PM (#12954291)
There are many traditions of communal justice that aren't retributive. Keywords that can be googled are restorative justice and transformative justice, for example. Traditional conflict resolution still persists in areas where the reach of the state does not extend. Approaches to justice that eschew centralized authority have a very different character, and I understand that it can be difficult to come up with such examples on one's own. It requires a different approach to the problem.

In any case, prison abolition is a wide topic with a lot of point of views and I could not do any of them justice in an Internet comment. I hate referring someone to wikipedia, but all the other sources I'd cite have a distinctly leftist approach and I think wikipedia is probably the most approachable entrypoint for someone who does not already ascribe to certain ideological premises: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternatives_to_incarceration

Re:If Prisoners Ran Prisons by posterboy on Monday November 14, 2016 @12:44PM (#12951632)
I can't speak for OP, but I'd think Anarchists can swing to both extremes. Self defense is not the same as enforcing a dictated law. This is reduction ad absurdum, but still worth thinking about. IMHO, anarchy is not an alternative to other rules, it's the foundation of free will, the empty set that is part of every other set. Of course, anarchism as a label is used with a different message.