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Re:Myron Ebell Takes On the E.P.A. by jdavis703 on Saturday November 12, 2016 @10:15AM (#12938189)
Wasn't natural gas a byproduct of the shale oil/hydro fracking boom? It seems that perhaps (while oil prices were high) these coal miners should've moved to North Dakota and Texas. Is this not the equivalent of a jQuery developer complaining about lack of jobs when they could maybe learn React or Angular?
Re:Myron Ebell Takes On the E.P.A. by wtbob on Saturday November 12, 2016 @10:54AM (#12938439)
> It seems that perhaps (while oil prices were high) these coal miners should've moved to North Dakota and Texas.

Easier said than done when one's entire social structure is rooted in one place, and has been since before one was born.

We forget how lucky we are that we can do our work from anywhere in the world; those of us who've moved around also tend, I think, to forget the real value of staying where one grew up.

Re:Myron Ebell Takes On the E.P.A. by jdavis703 on Saturday November 12, 2016 @11:00AM (#12938467)
What is the value? Whenever I go back home I of course am happy to see old friends and family. But I'm also reminded of all the reasons I'm glad I left, from poorer economic opportunities to poor political decisions manifesting themselves in everyday life.
Re:Myron Ebell Takes On the E.P.A. by Elepsis on Saturday November 12, 2016 @12:14PM (#12938837)
In the spirit of taking surprising statements at face value, here are some examples.

- Having a kid? Now your whole extended family is available to give you help and advice, to babysit, to be there for you when you need them.

- Need a job? It's a lot easier to find one when you have a personal network in a place already.

- Something terrible happen in your life? You now have a built in set of folks to help you through it.

There's incredible value in having a large local support group. Yes, it's possible to compensate for the lack of it with friends, and those of us who have moved far from home tend to do that, but that's a pretty straightforward second best compared to being with family, people you've grown up with, etc.

Re:Myron Ebell Takes On the E.P.A. by finid on Saturday November 12, 2016 @11:39AM (#12938663)
So we can all appreciate what immigrants that leave their country in search of a better life in a distant place make.

Being able to and wise enough to move, is a survival instinct that all living things have.

Re:Myron Ebell Takes On the E.P.A. by api on Saturday November 12, 2016 @11:19AM (#12938559)
Having to move constantly is one of the core grievances people have against modernity and globalism. Some people care about having friends, roots, history, community.
Re:Myron Ebell Takes On the E.P.A. by jdavis703 on Saturday November 12, 2016 @11:26AM (#12938594)
Aren't Americans moving less now-a-days: How to Get Americans Moving Again http://nyti.ms/257a62z? What does having friends and community have with staying put or moving? This sounds cold and calculating, but aren't friends and community fungible? Of course not the individuals themselves, but when we move we find new communities and new friends.
Re:Myron Ebell Takes On the E.P.A. by Turing_Machine on Saturday November 12, 2016 @10:52AM (#12938424)
Equating a 45 year old man with minimal education, a mortgage, and generations of family history in an industry with a 20-something software developer with none of those things is... not reasonable.
Re:Myron Ebell Takes On the E.P.A. by BEEdwards on Saturday November 12, 2016 @10:58AM (#12938459)
Oh so after all that time accusing my generation of being lazy and unmotivated, they would rather stay unemployed and vote for a racists than change it. got it.
Re:Myron Ebell Takes On the E.P.A. by thors_SLAMmer on Saturday November 12, 2016 @11:11AM (#12938523)
Just as entropy increases over time, adaptability to change decreases significantly over a person's lifetime. Assuming you are a millennial (based on your claim of your generation being accused), you got an education which prepared you to use technology and learn things on the internet - critical skills for this idea of a "modern employee". Besides, the coal miners in Appalachia aren't exactly known for sitting on their ass.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-02-03/from-coal...

Re:Myron Ebell Takes On the E.P.A. by threeseed on Saturday November 12, 2016 @12:27PM (#12938911)
> Just as entropy increases over time, adaptability to change decreases significantly over a person's lifetime

There is no evidence for this what so ever.

Re:Myron Ebell Takes On the E.P.A. by jdavis703 on Saturday November 12, 2016 @11:03AM (#12938487)
My father is in the same position as this demographic you mention. Working at large firms, facing regular layoffs due to offshoring and outsourcing, and yet moves around the U.S. when the opportunities are elsewhere. And he has a mortgage, and he's at least 55 years old IIRC.
Re:Myron Ebell Takes On the E.P.A. by olsonjeffery on Sunday November 13, 2016 @06:43AM (#12942891)
Moving around constantly chasing work is, for most, a miserable existence and not something you should trumpet as being good or try to normalize.
Re:Myron Ebell Takes On the E.P.A. by threeseed on Saturday November 12, 2016 @12:26PM (#12938897)
Right. Because only 20 year old software developers relocate for work.

Anyone is capable of moving. It's hard and it's disruptive but it's possible. And increasingly it's going to be a necessity if you want to have long term prosperity.