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Re:Trump's opposition to H-1B visas has experts concerned by biocomputation on Friday November 11, 2016 @08:53PM (#12936106)
I don't believe my posts said anything about immigration.

For the record, I support immigration, whether general immigration or for other reasons. To this point, I think it would been totally acceptable to allow the entire population of Syria to either immigrate the US ( green cards on arrival ) or grant safe harbor to those who want to return home until such time as it's safe.

With respect to H1-B: in case I haven't been absolutely clear, I think its socially unjust to make American workers compete with foreign nationals for jobs. This has nothing to do with immigration.

Re:Trump's opposition to H-1B visas has experts concerned by jacques_chester on Friday November 11, 2016 @09:14PM (#12936192)
So if tomorrow it was possible to become a US citizen by filling out a web form and paying $50, that'd be fine by you?

It'd be fine by me. But I'm a job thief. Unless I become a US citizen. At which point I'm still the same person, but somehow it's OK.

Re:Trump's opposition to H-1B visas has experts concerned by biocomputation on Friday November 11, 2016 @09:20PM (#12936207)
My remarks about the citizens of Syria were made in the context of the brutal war being fought in Syria at the moment.

>> So if tomorrow it was possible to become a US citizen by filling out a web form and paying $50, that'd be fine by you?

No, citizenship should never be for sale. Otherwise it's meaningless. You should be allowed to immigrate legally provided you can satisfy the requirements of our immigration program.

>> But I'm a job thief.

Please note that those are your words, not mine. I don't view people here on work visas as job thieves. My remarks are framed exclusively around what's best for Americans: it is socially unjust to make Americans compete with foreign nationals for jobs.

Re:Trump's opposition to H-1B visas has experts concerned by jacques_chester on Friday November 11, 2016 @09:23PM (#12936220)
Very well.

If I could become a US citizen for free (and I can't, by the way), would you drop your objection?

Edit for your edit:

> Please note that those are your words, not mine.

I'm using the words protectionists like yourself have commonly used.

Re:Trump's opposition to H-1B visas has experts concerned by biocomputation on Friday November 11, 2016 @09:33PM (#12936268)
>> If I could become a US citizen for free (and I can't, by the way), would you drop your objection?

Other than the application costs, I think it is more or less free to become a US citizen.

>> I'm using the words protectionists like yourself have commonly used.

Noted

Re:Trump's opposition to H-1B visas has experts concerned by jacques_chester on Friday November 11, 2016 @09:41PM (#12936298)
> Other than the application costs, I think it is more or less free to become a US citizen.

It takes years, can cost thousands of legal fees (not something you want to mess up) and typically starts with a work visa like an H1B.

You keep avoiding the question, so I'll restate it differently.

If everyone on the H1B could become a US citizen instantly, at no cost, would that remove your objection?

Re:Trump's opposition to H-1B visas has experts concerned by ojbyrne on Friday November 11, 2016 @11:35PM (#12936618)
My wife is about to become a citizen. It took her 17 years. And she's Canadian.