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Re:Amazon drivers “work illegal hours” by moyta on Thursday November 10, 2016 @11:08PM (#12927674)
Is this news? They do this right in their hometown, wage theft by Amazon is an institution. They "ask" employees to come in an hour or two early for a shift, and stay a few hours late.

Unless the BBC is trying to organize Amazon workers to hit the streets and fight for better working conditions and/or a union, this isn't newsworthy or noteworthy.

Re:Amazon drivers “work illegal hours” by middleclick on Thursday November 10, 2016 @11:31PM (#12927848)
I have never understood what people mean by "is this news?". Just because you know it, doesn't mean others do. I certainly had no idea about this before. Can we address the issue at hand instead of being condescending about it?
Re:Amazon drivers “work illegal hours” by pyromine on Thursday November 10, 2016 @11:19PM (#12927747)
To be honest, how does Amazon attract talent despite a pretty universal reputation of being a horrible place to work.

I'd rather work for Microsoft or big blue than Amazon any day.

Re:Amazon drivers “work illegal hours” by slipperyp on Friday November 11, 2016 @01:24AM (#12928448)
It's not a horrible place to work. I've worked at Microsoft and work for Amazon now. It's unavoidable that with a company the size of Amazon there will be some (maybe a lot) of bad areas to work and it's obvious that despite even the best hiring practices in the world, you'll find people winding up in a position for which they are not a good fit.

There's a lot of interesting work, though, and a lot of people happy working on it. I wouldn't tell anyone it's the best place to work or that it's "better" to work than another place, but I love what I do and work with hundreds of people who (more or less) feel the same. I also know people who don't feel this way and I encourage them to move on or move out because nobody should be in a job they really dislike (and I'm aware of the incredible privilege that's reflected by my ability to say that).

Re:Amazon drivers “work illegal hours” by moyta on Thursday November 10, 2016 @11:25PM (#12927793)
At least here in the states, workers rights are very poor, and Amazon will hire nearly anyone. I know that they were only offering homeless in Seattle & Bellevue nigh shift hours as a temp employee, which meant they could not live in a shelter or rehab since they would start work a few hours after the curfew. Really a great helping hand Jeff, throwin' em to the wolves!
Re:Amazon drivers “work illegal hours” by TheGrumpyBrit on Friday November 11, 2016 @07:50AM (#12930121)
That's one way to look at it, but for context, what other firms were offering work to the homeless?
Re:Amazon drivers “work illegal hours” by moyta on Saturday November 12, 2016 @11:39AM (#12938660)
Quite a few others, to the point that they put on a job fair:

http://kuow.org/post/amazon-hires-homeless-workers-and-every...

Re:Amazon drivers “work illegal hours” by plandis on Friday November 11, 2016 @09:46AM (#12931038)
Amazon also has some undeveloped land that they have turned over to an organization that runs homeless shelters to provide housing for the years in between when the land is developed.

But yes. Amazon is a terrible place to work and we are all just too dumb to quit. Oh, and we all hate homeless people, I guess.

Re:Amazon drivers “work illegal hours” by moyta on Saturday November 12, 2016 @11:44AM (#12938682)
Sure, they occasionally help out Mary's Place and the like, not disputing that. Many other companies do so too.

From what I've heard from Amazon workers, from drinking with them on Cap Hill, or from my own neighbors who work there, or my Cousin who was a higher up there & left, or from my friends, on average its not a great place to work. There are good teams, but compared to what I've heard from IBM or Microsoft employees it sounds worse than working at either of them, and on par with working at Adobe Seattle over in Fremont.

Re:Amazon drivers “work illegal hours” by mabbo on Friday November 11, 2016 @07:58AM (#12930154)
As a software developer at Amazon, if they treated us badly, we'd all quit and have new jobs next week.

Tech is different.

Re:Amazon drivers “work illegal hours” by duaneb on Friday November 11, 2016 @01:32AM (#12928482)
I hear working hours are more about the team than the company.
Re:Amazon drivers “work illegal hours” by notyourwork on Friday November 11, 2016 @01:38AM (#12928498)
This is true and also true of any company Amazon's size.
Re:Amazon drivers “work illegal hours” by Chinjut on Thursday November 10, 2016 @11:46PM (#12927945)
Fine, it's not news, it's just a true story that deserves response and propagation. How about that?
Re:Amazon drivers “work illegal hours” by moyta on Thursday November 10, 2016 @11:54PM (#12927994)
That is pretty good, just wish the BBC wrote a better article and ended with suggestions on who to contact regarding wage theft & how to organize to fight back against it, instead of ending the article with the Amazon contractor saying your free to quit at any time.
Re:Amazon drivers “work illegal hours” by mathw on Friday November 11, 2016 @04:02AM (#12929081)
Ultimately the purpose of such articles, if they wish to affect change, is to get the UK courts to rule that the drivers cannot be classified as self-employed and must receive the National Minimum Wage and conform to rules on driving hours and breaks, which are fairly extensive.

There were a number of similar reports about Uber before a court recently ruled that Uber drivers are legally employees, not self-employed contractors.