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Re:Donald Trump’s Contract with the American Voter [pdf] by yolesaber on Wednesday November 09, 2016 @05:47PM (#12915566)
>High brow smack (condescension) like that and "basket of deplorables" are what America revolted against.

Actually, the majority of Americans agreed with Hillary Clinton. She won the popular vote by over a million votes. We just use an outdated system built to appease slaveholders that does not necessarily represent the bulk will of the people. Trump won on a technicality of our (antiquated and frankly awful) system, not on a mandate.

>If the liberal left was truly smart, why did they allow the president to run up more national debt than all presidents prior...combined?

The president doesn't make the budget or handle the accounting of the US. Congress does. Guess who controls Congress? Hint, not the liberal left.

Re:Donald Trump’s Contract with the American Voter [pdf] by thomyorkie on Wednesday November 09, 2016 @07:09PM (#12916277)
> Actually, the majority of Americans agreed with Hillary Clinton. She won the popular vote by over a million votes. We just use an outdated system built to appease slaveholders that does not necessarily represent the bulk will of the people. Trump won on a technicality of our (antiquated and frankly awful) system, not on a mandate.

While I agree that the electoral college is not the best system, we can't really know what the results would have been if the popular vote determined the presidency. Campaigns are optimized based on the electoral college and each would have been run differently on a different system. Also, voter turnout may have been different because you no longer have partisan strongholds which may discourage voting.

Re:Donald Trump’s Contract with the American Voter [pdf] by nommm-nommm on Thursday November 10, 2016 @10:31AM (#12921185)
Not only that don't forget there's 4 million Americans who live in the US territories. They are American but don't get to vote for president because they don't live in a state or (since the 70s) DC. That's more than the population of Connecticut, for example.
Re:Donald Trump’s Contract with the American Voter [pdf] by dragonwriter on Wednesday November 09, 2016 @07:16PM (#12916334)
> Actually, the majority of Americans agreed with Hillary Clinton

A plurality did, not a majority.

But still more than went with any individual alternative.

> Trump won on a technicality of our (antiquated and frankly awful) system, not on a mandate.

It's not so much antiquated as evil; it's designed specifically to magnify the power of voters in states with people counted for assigning representation that don't vote (primarily to secure slavery, but its continued to reward other forms of disenfranchisement since.)

Re:Donald Trump’s Contract with the American Voter [pdf] by grzm on Wednesday November 09, 2016 @07:18PM (#12916344)
"A plurality did, not a majority."

Thank you for providing me with the opportunity to look up the difference :)

Re:Donald Trump’s Contract with the American Voter [pdf] by woofyman on Wednesday November 09, 2016 @07:42PM (#12916532)
A plurality is also called a simple majority.
Re:Donald Trump’s Contract with the American Voter [pdf] by dllthomas on Wednesday November 09, 2016 @10:15PM (#12917412)
That's definitely not true, unless in some special context.
Re:Donald Trump’s Contract with the American Voter [pdf] by kazga on Thursday November 10, 2016 @05:59AM (#12919379)
I'm not sure about English, but "simple majority" and "absolute majority" are commonly used to refer to a plurality and >50% respectively in German.

Wikipedia [0] also recognizes this meaning.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simple_majority

Re:Donald Trump’s Contract with the American Voter [pdf] by grzm on Thursday November 10, 2016 @07:30AM (#12919827)
The Wikipedia article indicates that simple majority may refer to majority, plurality, FPTP, or super majority, indicating no preference as to which might might be the most commonly understood.
Re:Donald Trump’s Contract with the American Voter [pdf] by dragonwriter on Thursday November 10, 2016 @08:50AM (#12920308)
A "simple majority" means 50%+, not a mere plurality (its the same as just a "majority", it's generally used to contrast with a supermajority.)
Re:Donald Trump’s Contract with the American Voter [pdf] by Graphon1 on Wednesday November 09, 2016 @06:36PM (#12916026)
> We just use an outdated system built to appease slaveholders that does not necessarily represent the bulk will of the people.

It may have been built with slave/free state "fairness" in mind, but even today the mechanism serves to level out the tyranny of the majority, from the states' perspective.

Re:Donald Trump’s Contract with the American Voter [pdf] by MereInterest on Wednesday November 09, 2016 @07:33PM (#12916470)
I fail to see how a tyranny of the minority is better than a tyranny of the majority. The current winner-take-all system must provide one or the other.
Re:Donald Trump’s Contract with the American Voter [pdf] by eveningcoffee on Wednesday November 09, 2016 @08:06PM (#12916702)
I fail to see how it is a tyranny of the minority. US is a federation after all.
Re:Donald Trump’s Contract with the American Voter [pdf] by gohrt on Wednesday November 09, 2016 @10:41PM (#12917530)
A state doesn't have a "perspective". A state is just a line drawn around a collection of people. Mathematically, a majority of states have excess power in proportion to its population. From a state's imagined perspective, it's a tyranny of the majority.
Re:Donald Trump’s Contract with the American Voter [pdf] by 551199 on Thursday November 10, 2016 @09:20AM (#12920523)
The country is mostly red. Even though Clinton got 200k more votes I'm sure you can see why the the electoral system is in place.

I like to add there is still 4 million votes that are being counted. Projection even from CNN is that Trump wins the popular vote.

[0] https://mishgea.files.wordpress.com/2016/11/geographic-lands... [1] http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-11-10/trumps-geographic-l...

Re:Donald Trump’s Contract with the American Voter [pdf] by nightski on Wednesday November 09, 2016 @06:42PM (#12916077)
Every source I can find has her winning by around 200k. When you are talking about 120M votes that is rather insignificant.
Re:Donald Trump’s Contract with the American Voter [pdf] by gnaritas on Wednesday November 09, 2016 @07:04PM (#12916258)
When it's the difference in winning the majority and still losing the election, it is significant.
Re:Donald Trump’s Contract with the American Voter [pdf] by grzm on Thursday November 10, 2016 @01:06AM (#12918120)
FWIW, technically it's a plurality, not a majority. To win a majority, you need to win over 50%.
Re:Donald Trump’s Contract with the American Voter [pdf] by yolesaber on Thursday November 10, 2016 @12:34AM (#12918003)
Earlier projections I saw said a million, but you are right thanks.