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Re:Donald Trump Is Elected President by dopamean on Wednesday November 09, 2016 @04:12PM (#12914717)
This is the standard thing that xenophobes do when talking about how bad immigration is. They tell someone to take a loot at X. Where X is a place the listener probably hasn't been to and doesn't really know anything about.

It's like if I was talking to a bunch of factory workers in Kentucky about how bad marijuana is and said "just take a look at Holland!" They'd have no fucking idea what it's like in Holland but someone claiming to be an authority just told them the situation was concerning.

Re:Donald Trump Is Elected President by praneshp on Wednesday November 09, 2016 @04:48PM (#12915015)
Step 0: Stop calling him a Xenophobe because he said something you don't agree with, or he said something wrong.
Re:Donald Trump Is Elected President by dopamean on Thursday November 10, 2016 @09:58AM (#12920852)
My step 0: see things for what they are and don't apologize for callings bigots bigots.
Re:Donald Trump Is Elected President by erikpukinskis on Thursday November 10, 2016 @11:06AM (#12921556)
Maybe he is a bigot. But you have a choice about whether you want to make the discussion personal and permanent (you are a bigot) or transient and focused on ideas (I think one of your assumptions is wrong).

The sky is blue but it's not necessarily productive to say so in every conversation.