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Re:Live Presidential Forecast by keithnz on Tuesday November 08, 2016 @09:55PM (#12905765)
Why isn't the president decided by the percentage of votes? Seems to me, there are a lot voters whose vote essentially are useless?

I kind of understand the house and senate being more regional representation, but the president kind of represents all Americans, no?

Re:Live Presidential Forecast by shaftoe on Tuesday November 08, 2016 @10:08PM (#12905798)
The United States is/was a collection of independent state governments. At one point, many state governments selected the electoral college representatives from their states. Until it was amended, states governments chose their senators.

There are political and historical reasons for having the system work this way, much like how the ordering of primaries is a contentious and complicated arrangement.

Re:Live Presidential Forecast by castratikron on Tuesday November 08, 2016 @09:59PM (#12905774)
It was originally designed to stop stupid people from throwing the election. We'll see tonight if it still works.
Re:Live Presidential Forecast by 75j on Tuesday November 08, 2016 @10:25PM (#12905843)
Which stupid people are you referring to?
Re:Live Presidential Forecast by mch82 on Tuesday November 08, 2016 @10:31PM (#12905868)
Intelligence isn't the deciding factor. Rather people judged by the electoral college to be unfit to serve as President.
Re:Live Presidential Forecast by sergiotapia on Tuesday November 08, 2016 @10:42PM (#12905893)
Whoever's against me.
Re:Live Presidential Forecast by humanrebar on Wednesday November 09, 2016 @12:36AM (#12906395)
No, it was originally a compromise between having congress pick the president and a pure popular vote.
Re:Live Presidential Forecast by unclenoriega on Tuesday November 08, 2016 @11:29PM (#12906046)
Wouldn't we not know until the Electoral College meets?
Re:Live Presidential Forecast by up_so_floating on Tuesday November 08, 2016 @09:56PM (#12905768)
You are not alone; many Americans have the same question.
Re:Live Presidential Forecast by stass on Tuesday November 08, 2016 @10:37PM (#12905884)
And the answer can be easily found in e.g. Federalist papers and even Wikipedia.
Re:Live Presidential Forecast by many_bells_down on Tuesday November 08, 2016 @11:30PM (#12906054)
Yes, we can find the answer as to why they were originally implemented.

However, my interpretation of the original question was that of "why are they still in existence?".

Re:Live Presidential Forecast by stass on Wednesday November 09, 2016 @12:12AM (#12906253)
I feel the original question was more in the line of "Why are US presidential election are not like elections in the many other democratic countries?" and is a huge trivialization of a complicated issue.
Re:Live Presidential Forecast by humanrebar on Tuesday November 08, 2016 @11:36PM (#12906072)
Because you won't convince 3/4 of states to change it. And it's not worth a new constitutional convention over that issue.
Re:Live Presidential Forecast by majewsky on Wednesday November 09, 2016 @01:23AM (#12906687)
We actually only need to convince another 105 electoral votes worth of states: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Popular_Vote_Intersta...
Re:Live Presidential Forecast by Someone on Tuesday November 08, 2016 @11:08PM (#12905976)
I would also hope (I would write 'expect', but I am a bit cynical about the quality of US education) this was taught in elementary school.
Re:Live Presidential Forecast by tedunangst on Tuesday November 08, 2016 @11:26PM (#12906039)
People are also inclined to forget things they don't like.
Re:Live Presidential Forecast by Someone on Tuesday November 08, 2016 @11:46PM (#12906108)
Forget or deny to know? For people living in the USA, forgetting that must be quite a challenge; every four years, there's half a year of real reality tv, extensively covered all over the news, to remind them of it.
Re:Live Presidential Forecast by symlinkk on Tuesday November 08, 2016 @11:26PM (#12906037)
If the answer is so obvious then just post it
Re:Live Presidential Forecast by stass on Wednesday November 09, 2016 @12:09AM (#12906244)
It's not obvious by any means, that's why I pointed to the reference work on that topic. There are reasons the electoral college was implemented, whether they are still valid of not is a different question entirely.

Furthermore, it's not even clear what the question is. Why it's not elected by the US populous? Because it's the President of the United States being elected, not the President of the people of the United States. Why is it not a direct vote? In part, to make the system resilient to the tyranny of majority which was feared by Founding Fathers.

There is extensive literature on that topic by the designers of the system itself and one cannot summarize it in a HN comment. So if the the Americans the parent was referring to are indeed puzzled by that question there are answers to be found.

Re:Live Presidential Forecast by quadrangle on Tuesday November 08, 2016 @10:17PM (#12905814)
Yeah, the entire system is screwed up by this insane electoral college. But majority-rule is insane even on a popular vote. The only good way to elect consensus candidates who serve everyone well is to implement score voting http://scorevoting.net/
Re:Live Presidential Forecast by PDoyle on Tuesday November 08, 2016 @10:28PM (#12905853)
I'm not sure it's the only way. There are ranked-ballot systems that are good too, like Single Transferable Vote.

The point is, first-past-the-post has almost every possible flaw you can have in a voting system.

Re:Live Presidential Forecast by quadrangle on Saturday November 12, 2016 @10:14PM (#12941649)
Nope STV is not so good, it still falls to Arrow's Impossibility Theorem which applies to every single rank voting system.

Sure, first-past-the-post is horrid, but if you expend political will, time, power, energy, money to reform the voting system, it's a tragedy to replace a horrible system with a bad one when we actually know of a good one. We will not get infinite, costless resources and chances for voting reform.

Re:Live Presidential Forecast by JoshTriplett on Tuesday November 08, 2016 @10:23PM (#12905839)
Several systems work well for electing a good consensus candidate in a single-winner election, including Condorcet, Approval, and various forms of range voting.
Re:Live Presidential Forecast by quadrangle on Saturday November 12, 2016 @10:12PM (#12941635)
Score voting is just another term for range voting. Approval is just score voting with the lowest resolution, effectively. Condorcet can elect a consensus candidate but inherently is worse at this than score/range/approval.

Condorcet is a rank system so Arrow's Impossibility Theorem applies. Also, being a rank system, there will always be arguments about interpretation where people can hand-wring over how the outcome would be different with Borda or IRV or another way to determine the results of a rank-vote election. Finally, Condorcet always supports tyranny-of-the-majority rather than consensus. A polarizing candidate with 51% support and 49% strong disapproval will always win any rank vote, while a consenus candidate everyone likes can win a score or approval vote.

Effectively, score is range is approval, same basic idea, and ONLY that idea is simple, clear, zero argument about interpreting results and none of the pathologies of rank voting. And no, rank voting is NOT able to elect consensus candidates over polarizing ones in the way score voting does.