I don't really get that. Kotlin is open source. You can write and compile Kotlin code without paying JetBrains a penny, it's not hard. There's even an Eclipse plugin - written by JetBrains.

I'm not sure what more is required to make it truly open.

What non-Jetbrains IDE supports Kotlin well? What % of its contributions come from outside the Jetbrains ecosystem?

Once Jetbrains no longer controls Kotlin's future and most Kotlin users are not Jetbrains customers, then I'd consider it truly open.

I think you're confusing language openness with freedom of choice for consumption.

I think you're confusing deduction with speculation. I'm fully aware of the difference between language openness and "freedom of choice for consumption". I just don't agree with the wisdom in tying my workflow to a company like Jetbrains.

why? What is wrong with jetbrains, and also what is the connection between then and a free software(kotlin) also, vs code is by microsoft. Any time microsoft can say that plugins needs to be review by them. also vscode is ahead is a very hard option?

Are you upset for the election in USA?

https://github.com/JetBrains/kotlin/graphs/contributors Inside company <30 people working on kotlin that give us more than 100 people outside JetBrains involved in Kotlin development.

And I'm happy to pay for their 'yearly license'. Great companies should have great revenues. I don't want them to end up like FoundationDB or RethinkDB. The fact that they get steady revenue ensures me that they won't perish and will keep doing great job.

Er, you're eschewing Kotlin despite it's being open source because of your perception that it's controlled by a corporate entity, but in the same post you want it supported in another open source product (VS Code) backed by another corporate entity (Microsoft)?

>"Er..."

VS Code is miles ahead of Jetbrains offerings and has no yearly subscription fee.

MS was indeed one of my least favorite companies half a lifetime ago, but they've changed business models and are now pursuing a growth strategy (particularly wrt services) and have abandoned the fight to capture consumer surplus at all costs.

Care to elaborate how VS Code is miles ahead of Jetbrains offerings?

So charging for an IDE which requires hundreds of thousands of man hours of development and maintenance means they're evil and you won't use their products, open source or otherwise? Got it.

No. I honestly can't tell if you're trolling or not at this point, but "Er" is a horrible way to open a comment. Assigning a strawman position to someone you disagree with is equally horrible.

I've gladly purchased Jetbrains products in the past (and other dev tools as well). Noticing that a company is intent on capturing all consumer surplus they possibly can and disliking them for it is not the same as deciding they're "evil" for charging anything to begin with. Before moving to their subscription / hostageware "pay up or be forcibly downgraded model", I happily broke out the credit card and paid for Jetbrains offerings. I don't begrudge them that they sell software.

They just got too greedy and consumer backlash like this is the inevitable result.

I think is just upset for the election in usa...

IntelliJ Community and Android Studio are both free and gratis software.

and painfully slow

Your settings must be wrong

You can use Kotlin just fine with the Intellij community edition, which is free, Apache licensed OSS. What more do you want?

If only you were truly understand what you talking about:) In fact, Intellij platform is open sourced(https://github.com/JetBrains/intellij-community), many IDE's for different languages built on top of it(like https://intellij-rust.github.io/), as well as Kotlin plugin itself.

And yeah don't forget Eclipse Kotlin plugin, fully open-sourced)

JetBrains open-sourced decades of their hard work, building world's best IDE. And you can benefit from it for free.

You don't even have to pay for webstorm/rubymine. Just install plugins you need to Intellij CE)))

I'd better to pay for editor than for compiler/core. Also JB is true software company, its their primary source of revenue. Editors is the only good way of monetization open-source projects.

UPD. When I pay for their job, I receive real stuff and not some obfuscated shit. The stuff that will be compiling even when the subscription ends.

> after which time they forcibly downgrade the software their users have paid for.

What happened? Could you please elaborate?

scala is controller by a company also. Also, kotlin is open source. the assumption is really bad.