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Re:Formation of Tesla Advanced Automation Germany by paganel on Tuesday November 08, 2016 @09:04AM (#12900267)
I live in Romania and why would I buy an EV? I cannot charge it over night because I live in a 10-stories-high building, not to mention that there are close to no public EV charging places spread throughout the country. On top of that an EV is expensive as hell. I've bought my SH petrol car around 2 years ago for 4,000 euros, and it's been a blast to drive it (I've done a 4,000 km European tour this summer with it). I don't see prices for SH electric vehicles going to under 5000 euros in the next 15 to 20 years. As a matter of fact, no-one is quite sure how reliable SH electric vehicles will be. As things stand out right now my iPhone4 might as well be from the stone-age (cannot install any new apps on it, almost all the existing apps on it have stopped working), and it's only a 4 to 5-year old piece of electronics.
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Re:Formation of Tesla Advanced Automation Germany by arethuza on Tuesday November 08, 2016 @09:44AM (#12900594)
An awful lot of people living in flats/apartments in older buildings in European cities are going to have similar problems. I'd like to try an EV or plug-in hybrid but the practicalities of living in central Edinburgh pretty much make it impossible.
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Re:Formation of Tesla Advanced Automation Germany by usrusr on Tuesday November 08, 2016 @01:00PM (#12902444)
If you only look at the part of the market that buys new cars (as opposed to second hand), the home charging problem becomes a lot smaller.

Once EV have reached a certain saturation amongst new car buyers, the second hand market might take some very interesting turns when that generation of cars is about to change ownership from original buyers with a high rate of home charging availability to second hand buyers with a low rate. If you are one of the comparatively rare second hand buyers with available home charging, you might see a very favorable market.

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Re:Formation of Tesla Advanced Automation Germany by klipt on Tuesday November 08, 2016 @09:12PM (#12905606)
Self driving taxis solves that problem. Very few people will actually own cars.
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Re:Formation of Tesla Advanced Automation Germany by noja on Tuesday November 08, 2016 @10:56AM (#12901210)
You won't buy an EV, you will rent one or hire one.
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Re:Formation of Tesla Advanced Automation Germany by ar15saveslives on Tuesday November 08, 2016 @11:30AM (#12901555)
I don't want to rent/hire a car, I want to own it.
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Re:Formation of Tesla Advanced Automation Germany by enraged_camel on Tuesday November 08, 2016 @12:21PM (#12902065)
If you're in the US this attitude is understandable, but in Europe, not so much.
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Re:Formation of Tesla Advanced Automation Germany by vsl on Wednesday November 09, 2016 @02:44AM (#12907286)
I'm in Europe and you're wrong. Not everyone lives in a city, we have countryside here too you know.
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Re:Formation of Tesla Advanced Automation Germany by arethuza on Tuesday November 08, 2016 @11:16AM (#12901424)
Why would the level of renting/hiring be different for EVs than for conventional vehicles?
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Re:Formation of Tesla Advanced Automation Germany by istorical on Tuesday November 08, 2016 @12:03PM (#12901893)
I think he's referring to the idea that you'll use an Uber-like app (either Uber or if Tesla builds their own then the Tesla version) to order an EV to use it's self driving AI to come pick you up, take you to your destination, then drive off to service other customers.

https://newsroom.uber.com/pittsburgh-self-driving-uber/

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Re:Formation of Tesla Advanced Automation Germany by 0xffff2 on Tuesday November 08, 2016 @01:01PM (#12902452)
I think you're right, but that change in behavior will come (if it comes at all) with self-driving technology, which is entirely orthogonal to EV's.
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Re:Formation of Tesla Advanced Automation Germany by gist on Tuesday November 08, 2016 @04:38PM (#12904175)
Honestly this is a city/urban thing. It's simply not something that on a large scale people who live in the suburbs on in the country will want to do. My vehicle sits practically outside my door at work and in the garage at home. I like the fact that I can go spur of the minute anytime anywhere and don't have to summon the vehicle or do any planning.
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Re:Formation of Tesla Advanced Automation Germany by arethuza on Tuesday November 08, 2016 @06:23PM (#12904885)
I don't even think it's a city/urban thing - I live right in the middle of a city and walk to work but the car is for getting out of the city to walk/bike/ski and I can't see a glorified taxi working in those situations.
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Re:Formation of Tesla Advanced Automation Germany by maxerickson on Tuesday November 08, 2016 @11:41AM (#12901666)
Would the parking situation not be amenable at all to metered chargers?

There's a lot of social conventions and what not to work out there, but I doubt any of it would be insurmountable. For overnight charging, a cord that you activate with your phone, with the activation locked to one vehicle, solves many of them.

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Re:Formation of Tesla Advanced Automation Germany by HillaryBriss on Tuesday November 08, 2016 @12:27PM (#12902129)
Don't Europe's Uber drivers also live in tall apartment buildings?
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