Why I won't recommend Signal anymore

Re:Why I won't recommend Signal anymore by codewiz on Saturday November 05, 2016 @07:16PM (#12882440)

  "Also, there’s the issue of integrity. Google is still
  cooperating with the NSA and other intelligence agencies.
  PRISM is also still a thing."

What's this based on? Google immediately denied any association with the NSA and PRISM:

https://googleblog.blogspot.com/2013/06/what.html

Google’s chief legal officer claimed that collection was being done without Google's consent:

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/technology/google-outraged-at...

Evidence leaked by Edward Snowden also points in the direction of illegal infiltration of Google's private network without Google's consent:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/nsa-i...

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Re:Why I won't recommend Signal anymore by sandervenema on Saturday November 05, 2016 @07:22PM (#12882463)

On this: https://wikileaks.org/Op-ed-Google-and-the-NSA-Who-s.html

there are links on that page that point out multiple e-mails from the STRATFOR leaks and other files that point to Google being deeply embedded with the U.S. security apparatus.

Also: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/aug/23/nsa-prism-cost...

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Re:Why I won't recommend Signal anymore by sandervenema on Saturday November 05, 2016 @07:25PM (#12882478)

And Google became a PRISM partner in 2009, as the slides here from the Snowden collection prove: https://search.edwardsnowden.com/docs/PRISMUS-984XNOverview2...

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Re:Why I won't recommend Signal anymore by codewiz on Saturday November 05, 2016 @07:46PM (#12882551)

  And Google became a PRISM partner in 2009,
  as the slides here from the Snowden collection prove

Read those slides more carefully: they say that collection from Google began on 1/14/09, not that Google became a willful partner of the PRISM program.

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Re:Why I won't recommend Signal anymore by sandervenema on Saturday November 05, 2016 @07:58PM (#12882597)

As the previous links from STRATFOR etc. prove, Google is deeply embedded in the security/intelligence apparatus. That part is definitely willing and beneficial to both parties. Of course, they're going to make changes and issue statements to the contrary regarding PRISM, because that would lose them customers.

This is also an interesting read, albeit a bit long: https://wikileaks.org/google-is-not-what-it-seems/

Google continues to coast on the goodwill of its "don't be evil" doublespeak, as Mr. Assange puts it. There's no reason to trust them now.

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Re:Why I won't recommend Signal anymore by bitmapbrother on Saturday November 05, 2016 @10:36PM (#12883151)

You've presented no proof whatsoever. All you've done is make unsubstantiated allegations.

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Re:Why I won't recommend Signal anymore by lawnchair_larry on Sunday November 06, 2016 @10:47AM (#12885555)

Slight correction. Google is a willing* PRISM partner, but they don't use the name PRISM, and PRISM isn't quite what was originally described.

The leaks related to exploitation of Google traffic refer to programs unrelated to PRISM.

*Willing in the sense that they have to respond to FISA orders and NSLs, and they have agreed to do it according to a certain protocol.

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