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Re:Why I won't recommend Signal anymore by sandervenema on Saturday November 05, 2016 @06:49PM (#12882339)
I see I haven't replied yet to your first point: here goes. Of course clearly an alternative has to be at least cryptographically secure. I fully agree with you on that. I'm not recommending something that isn't, and certainly am not recommending Telegram or Cryptocat.

An alternative needs to be as a bare minimum cryptographically secure. And then on top of that it would be very nice if there was federation, not tied to phone numbers and all the components being open source. Those last 3 points is where Signal fails currently. Federation is something that moxie tried, didn't work out, now he's basically not in favour of that, the phone number issue is of course well known, and the redphone server component is not open source.

Re:Why I won't recommend Signal anymore by piroko on Saturday November 05, 2016 @10:46PM (#12883184)
Sounds like you're looking for https://matrix.org

Hits all your technical requirements. Setting up your own homeserver is cake. Federation is a key part of the core design. End to end encryption is just about to be finalized. History syncing between multiple clients. Bridges for pulling in other chat systems like slack and IRC. Completely open source. To me, this is the perfect messaging platform. Just needs some UI polish and I could see it really taking off. Had you seen this yet?

Re:Why I won't recommend Signal anymore by x0x0 on Saturday November 05, 2016 @10:19PM (#12883099)
But you seem to be hand-waving away the problems Moxie had with federation [1]. Citing xmpp is not a counterexample. Some problems do not have solutions.

[1] https://whispersystems.org/blog/the-ecosystem-is-moving/

Re:Why I won't recommend Signal anymore by Arathorn on Sunday November 06, 2016 @04:13AM (#12884240)
Whilst some problems are not solvable, it doesn't mean that they are showstoppers. See https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12882181 elsewhere in the thread.