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Re:Ask HN: Why do institutions choose buggy enterprise cms o... by GFischer on Thursday November 03, 2016 @03:59PM (#12867412)
I've been around for a couple of RFPs(1), and the company I work for had one for a CMS recently.

The way it works is:

1) Business has a crappy, very manual website/intranet/whatever.

2) Someone with the actual capability to do something (CIO, manager, whatever) decides this has to change.

3) Input is asked from people from the business and people that are nominally technical. Usually the people that actually know the requirements or are going to maintain the new system are not included.

4) Other people from security, audits, etc. chime in

5) Someone (business analyst or project manager) transforms the laundry list of requirements into an RFP.

6) Business approves the RFP. It is sent out.

There are companies out there that live on RFPs. If you're lucky, they'll use open source software, but they might re-package that into their own CMS.

Companies that have the CMS that ticks the most boxes in the laundry list have a leg up. It doesn't matter if it's shitty and buggy, it's VERY hard to write "non-buggy" in an RFP (if the company is wise, they'll have a trial period with competing products, but that costs $$$).

So, the company ends up with proposals in the hundreds of thousands of dollars for what could have been an in-house project (be warned, a mismanaged one can run in the hundreds of thousands too, even with open source CMSs).

A period of time later, company will select the CMS and will drop that info on the team that will actually implement and maintain the buggy piece of crap (or even a decent product, if you're lucky).

(1) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Request_for_proposal

See also:

https://doubleyourfreelancing.com/3-things-freelancers-know-...

Re:Ask HN: Why do institutions choose buggy enterprise cms o... by cauterized on Thursday November 03, 2016 @06:07PM (#12868442)
Because they want a support contract and someone to sue if things go badly wrong.
Re:Ask HN: Why do institutions choose buggy enterprise cms o... by NetStrikeForce on Friday November 04, 2016 @12:31PM (#12873803)
This is the answer. It is about doing business while shifting risk to a 3rd party.
Re:Ask HN: Why do institutions choose buggy enterprise cms o... by tue4Iezi on Thursday November 03, 2016 @03:10PM (#12867004)
A lot of answers:

   - No one gets fired for buying IBM
   - The issues around compliance/security/support are/should be sorted as part of the contract
   - OS projects don't invite managers for lunch
   - You need to factor in the price of support if you run OS projects. You will probably need few devs and sysadmins to run an enterprise-level solution
   - Documentation/training/videos for end-users
Re:Ask HN: Why do institutions choose buggy enterprise cms o... by NumberCruncher on Thursday November 03, 2016 @04:36PM (#12867708)
- OS won't pay your buddy a bonus who happens to work in b2b sales

- OS won't offer you a fuctitious consulting job if your current employer gives you a sack

- OS won't fill your non existent swiss bank account

Re:Ask HN: Why do institutions choose buggy enterprise cms o... by ig1 on Thursday November 03, 2016 @02:34PM (#12866639)
I imagine because most open source ones lack the features required (compliance, security, activedirectory support, audit, etc.)
Re:Ask HN: Why do institutions choose buggy enterprise cms o... by bediger4000 on Thursday November 03, 2016 @09:50PM (#12869758)
You know what feature open source software in general lacks, but buggy, enterprise software has lots of?

Quid pro quo.

I'm not talking money pre se, although I'm sure most enterprise software sales involve the CEO's "second cousin" getting a few dollars. A few games of bikini golf in the Bahamas can get a Fortune 500 company to standardize on the worst version control software in the world, or make using "cron" a firing offence.

Re:Ask HN: Why do institutions choose buggy enterprise cms o... by EJTH on Thursday November 03, 2016 @01:25PM (#12866000)
All software have security flaws, in open source it is simply easier to find these, also quality of opensource varies alot.

Just take Drupal as an example, it is used ALOT, but isn't really pretty to look at codewise, also it has had its share of vulnerabilities, which are very easy to find, partly because all source code is readily available.

Re:Ask HN: Why do institutions choose buggy enterprise cms o... by kzisme on Thursday November 03, 2016 @03:25PM (#12867134)
Couldn't you then say that OSS software has more people looking for flaws to patch, so it would be more secure - not less?

I suppose it does vary by project though.

Re:Ask HN: Why do institutions choose buggy enterprise cms o... by EJTH on Friday November 04, 2016 @10:09AM (#12872650)
Its a double edged sword of course, but for the financial sector the money saved on open source would be peanuts in the grand scheme of things.

A proprietary CMS may very well be holed like a swiss cheese, but it will not be as obvious / easy to find the holes when you can't look at the source code, you are basically left with fuzzers and manual/bruteforcing injection as your only viably point of entry.

Re:Ask HN: Why do institutions choose buggy enterprise cms o... by fred_is_fred on Thursday November 03, 2016 @11:00PM (#12870043)
Many SVP/CIOs will not use a product unless there is "someone to call". Even if that choice costs them millions of dollars.