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Re:Signs that a startup is focused on stuff that doesn’t matter by twoshedsmcginty on Thursday November 03, 2016 @02:39AM (#12862022)
"If you’re bootstrapped and have an email list of 1,000 people and want to grow that list, you don’t need a full-time email marketing manager, a writer, a designer and a junior marketer to execute on a content marketing strategy for you...You need a motivated, scrappy content marketer who can do all of those jobs at once."

I agree about the time-wasting meetings, but not about the above, since I'm directly in that situation. You could hope to find one person to fill any two of those jobs, but all you'll get out of a 'scrappy content marketer' is a vacant position and a series of burnouts. That's hard work, where you have to invest resources to reap rewards.

Re:Signs that a startup is focused on stuff that doesn’t matter by joshdotsmith on Thursday November 03, 2016 @03:05AM (#12862095)
To add to your point: people often make the mistake of trying to replace former team members with people who fit the exact skill profile of the person who left. It's highly improbable you'll find the perfect match.

Instead, identify the bundle of tasks that person did and find people who can take them on separately, and perhaps accomplish other tasks you didn't even realize your team could do.

If you were to identify every task your business needs, then you have the flexibility to direct those tasks to the right people. Further, if you're in a high-growth environment, you can continue to scale by motivating your people to fire themselves from their worst tasks and focus on their best expertise.

If your team continues to evolve in this way while your company keeps sound unit economics, then congratulations! You've solved the scaling problem.

Re:Signs that a startup is focused on stuff that doesn’t matter by davemel37 on Thursday November 03, 2016 @12:13PM (#12865252)
>You could hope to find one person to fill any two of those jobs, but all you'll get out of a 'scrappy content marketer' is a vacant position and a series of burnouts.

One person can easily manage all of this and more very affordably with freelancers, tools, and a decent process.

Where you go wrong is when the person managing is "figuring it out on the fly."

Use canva or stencil for design, use textbroker or copypress for content at scale, all that is left is building an editorial calendar, planning content promotion, blogger outreach, all of which can be done with tools, etc...

...if you have clarity about what exactly needs to be done from ideation to promotion, its really not that hard for one person with tools and freelancers to execute on.

Re:Signs that a startup is focused on stuff that doesn’t matter by dibstern on Thursday November 03, 2016 @05:33AM (#12862552)
Does that not depend entirely on the size/stage of your business, the size of your customers and your industry?

I don't think it's unusual for an email list to be managed by one dude at an early stage tech startup.

Re:Signs that a startup is focused on stuff that doesn’t matter by BrandonM on Thursday November 03, 2016 @11:15AM (#12864628)
A good marketing manager with a few years under her belt should be able to do this without breaking a sweat. Unfortunately, like a non-tech company hiring programmers, non-marketers seem to be pretty bad at recognizing good marketers.
Re:Signs that a startup is focused on stuff that doesn’t matter by smitherfield on Thursday November 03, 2016 @09:01AM (#12863562)
I think the idea is that it's worth "overpaying" for a single exceptional employee in a given area, as opposed to underpaying for several.

(Which seems to be a definite truism in my observation of which businesses and teams succeed and fail).

Re:Signs that a startup is focused on stuff that doesn’t matter by cookiecaper on Thursday November 03, 2016 @09:41AM (#12863831)
It's hard enough to find a single semi-competent employee by "overpaying". I don't think it's as simple as increasing the salary on the job listing by 20% and watching the super qualified candidates pour in.
Re:Signs that a startup is focused on stuff that doesn’t matter by coredog64 on Thursday November 03, 2016 @10:07AM (#12864016)
I'm not privy to what my employer is advertising for senior DevOps positions, but I can tell you it's not nearly enough: I get resumes where "installed htop" is a prominent bullet point. Literally.

The last two hires have been somewhere between oxygen thief and chair warmer.

TL;DR: If you are getting crappy candidates, you are likely offering too little and could tempt better candidates with a better offer.

Re:Signs that a startup is focused on stuff that doesn’t matter by cookiecaper on Thursday November 03, 2016 @11:10AM (#12864579)
I've looked into the market for Sr. DevOps positions lately and unfortunately found exactly that to be the case. No one is willing to offer enough to lure me away from my current gig, where I'm reasonably happy. The employers that don't immediately scoff at the proposed salary tend to give me grief about it, which makes it not worth the time.
Re:Signs that a startup is focused on stuff that doesn’t matter by morgante on Thursday November 03, 2016 @05:29PM (#12868138)
What do you think is a reasonable salary for Senior DevOps engineers these days?
Re:Signs that a startup is focused on stuff that doesn’t matter by thecrazyone on Saturday November 05, 2016 @07:24AM (#12879255)
Use glassdoor my friend, the salaries vary a lot by location and company.

You should checkout what competitors are paying in your location

Re:Signs that a startup is focused on stuff that doesn’t matter by BrandonM on Thursday November 03, 2016 @11:18AM (#12864666)
When you say "overpaying", what is that number for you? For context, in 2011, Clorox and other established Bay Area companies paid marketing managers with a few years of relevant experience ~$120,000. Visa is starting fresh Economics grads at $70,000 for marketing roles.

If you're not in that neighborhood, good luck. Startups don't seem to value marketing as much as the big companies, and then they wonder why they need 4 people for one job. Offering under $100K for a Director of Marketing (sadly common in startups) is a joke.

Re:Signs that a startup is focused on stuff that doesn’t matter by thecrazyone on Saturday November 05, 2016 @07:28AM (#12879274)
Honestly, these salaries seem like a lot as is, from where I come from.

Instead of guessing what's a fair pay wouldn't be better to pay or get paid on results - revenue you bring in. The marketing director or others in the team are close enough (in terms of agency they have on revenue) to revenue generation that this should be possible, no?

Re:Signs that a startup is focused on stuff that doesn’t matter by BrandonM on Monday November 07, 2016 @10:31AM (#12891812)
It's not quite that easy. Some marketing content, like blog posts, has long-term value that can't be easily measured in the same fiscal period it was created in. A huge task of marketing is to increase the awareness and value of a brand, getting better search result rankings and helping more people find and trust the company. These effects absolutely affect the bottom line, but they can be pretty hard to measure.

Marketing also generally has multiple touch points before a sale actually occurs. Maybe you see a Google paid result that you ignore, then a YouTube pre-roll that you tune out, and then you see their logo on a train ad during your commute. None of those result in a sale, but you finally see the company at a conference, grab some swag, talk to one of their salespeople, and become a customer. In this example, their revenue looks like it was generated by the efforts of the sales department, but in reality marketing had a lot to do with it, too.

If your company has all the right tracking in place, you can determine the path your customers took when they ultimately bought your product, provided that they bought it online. That still ignores their prior exposure to the product that helped convince them during the current session. More importantly, if you were to measure marketing performance based solely on those metrics, your marketers would have little incentive to do all of their other important functions.

Re:Signs that a startup is focused on stuff that doesn’t matter by mseebach on Thursday November 03, 2016 @09:35AM (#12863780)
I'm not in your situation at all, but it does not pass the smell test that you need more than one person, much less four, to work on growing a 1000 person email list without burnout.