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Re:The Mirai Botnet Is Proof the Security Industry Is Broken by tptacek on Tuesday November 01, 2016 @11:11AM (#12846308)
"Offer bug bounties based on actual access" why?
Re:The Mirai Botnet Is Proof the Security Industry Is Broken by 3pt14159 on Tuesday November 01, 2016 @11:17AM (#12846405)
Maybe misworded, but actual access is a clear line on the spectrum that starts at reporting a potential DDOS attack on an endpoint to dumping all your users credit cards and passwords. Access to a server isn't necessarily access to a DB, but it's usually serious enough to warrant cash, no matter who you are.
Re:The Mirai Botnet Is Proof the Security Industry Is Broken by tptacek on Tuesday November 01, 2016 @11:18AM (#12846430)
I'm asking: why would you make a bounty conditional on "access" at all? What's the win? A bug is a bug. If it has the potential for access, it's worth the bounty. All a demonstrated access requirement does is encourage strangers to violate the privacy of your customers. It seems like an incredibly reckless idea.
Re:The Mirai Botnet Is Proof the Security Industry Is Broken by 3pt14159 on Tuesday November 01, 2016 @04:44PM (#12849867)
Bad actors are already trying to get that data, no?
Re:The Mirai Botnet Is Proof the Security Industry Is Broken by tptacek on Tuesday November 01, 2016 @05:05PM (#12850007)
Yes, but what does that have to do with the structure of a bounty?
Re:The Mirai Botnet Is Proof the Security Industry Is Broken by brians on Tuesday November 01, 2016 @07:56PM (#12851219)
Bounty programs are very noisy. I don't even have a bug bounty program, and have several messages from confused people in my inbox asking about one. The "bugs" they propose are not bugs in my programs---for example, one reports that data can be uploaded to a collaboration system, downloaded, and then executed in a user-provided interpreter---and that this interpreter may surprise the user with its behavior.

Any better ideas of how to structure a bounty to get bugs and not confused users?

Re:The Mirai Botnet Is Proof the Security Industry Is Broken by 3pt14159 on Tuesday November 01, 2016 @07:58PM (#12851230)
Saying something is theoretically possible with automated vulnerability scanners (which have incredibly high type 1 error due to out of date headers due to lazy programmers and misconfigured webservers) and showing that it's actually possible are completely different things. A whitehat proving he can get user access or MITMing data they created as a proof of concept is completely benign. I've yet to hear this as the source of a leak of customer data.