Apple just told the world it has no idea who the Mac is for

Re:Apple just told the world it has no idea who the Mac is for by Bud on Friday October 28, 2016 @01:03PM (#12818161)

First, OS X isn't "Unix-y"; it literally is Unix. Second, you actually can say with a straight face that the MBP 2006 design was "purely an accident"? No. It wasn't. It was the result of hundreds of small and correct choices, not all of which were obvious at the time.

How precisely is the new MBP a regression? I think it's telling that you cited two examples to back this up—but oddly, neither of them were about the MB Pro. They were about iOS devices.

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Re:Apple just told the world it has no idea who the Mac is for by AlexandrB on Friday October 28, 2016 @02:01PM (#12818852)

What initially attracted me to the MPB (around 2009) was:

- great input/output hardware

- solid build

- little design touches like the magsafe connector, sleep light, and battery indicator

- Unixy, well-designed OS with some really great 3D party software

Besides the solid build, all of these are now either gone or in decline. The touchpad is still OK, but the quality of the keyboard has been crippled. The OSX App Store still doesn't support demos or upgrade pricing. Magsafe is gone - for no apparent reason.

All of this is mostly in service of gimmicks - the biggest of which being "thinness" which I really don't care about. I'd be buying 17" MBPs if they were still available.

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Re:Apple just told the world it has no idea who the Mac is for by 72deluxe on Friday October 28, 2016 @05:27PM (#12820887)

True. I have never said "what this laptop needs is to be thinner" whilst working on it. I have never ever said that, and I was happy with thick laptops a million years ago. We want features, not just slimness.

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Re:Apple just told the world it has no idea who the Mac is for by 4ad on Monday October 31, 2016 @06:33AM (#12835610)

> We want features, not just slimness.

You want. Please don't generalise. Personally, I have always wanted my laptop to be thinner. And I am a "professional" who hates dongles by any possible definition.

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Re:Apple just told the world it has no idea who the Mac is for by 72deluxe on Monday October 31, 2016 @11:12AM (#12837449)

I stand corrected. I was meaning to express that slimness and features need not be mutually exclusive, yet we are seeing features cast aside to make way for slimness, as if slimness were the only thing that all should strive for.

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Re:Apple just told the world it has no idea who the Mac is for by CaptSpify on Friday October 28, 2016 @01:44PM (#12818637)

He never said the design was an accident. He said that the fact that they were able "to dominate the market amongst developers for the next ten years." was an accident

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Re:Apple just told the world it has no idea who the Mac is for by tkxxx7 on Friday October 28, 2016 @03:54PM (#12820028)

No, their wording is too ambiguous to make that distinction, and your interpretation seems to be the less-likely one.

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Re:Apple just told the world it has no idea who the Mac is for by CaptSpify on Friday October 28, 2016 @04:45PM (#12820502)

I'm sorry, but I can't disagree with you more. I see no ambiguity in there. In fact, he never even uses the word "design" in the original post.

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Re:Apple just told the world it has no idea who the Mac is for by slantyyz on Friday October 28, 2016 @02:16PM (#12819053)

>> First, OS X isn't "Unix-y"; it literally is Unix.

OS X was Unix-y until Leopard (2007), when it got certified.

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Re:Apple just told the world it has no idea who the Mac is for by teh_klev on Friday October 28, 2016 @01:24PM (#12818417)

> Second, you actually can say with a straight face that the MBP 2006 design was "purely an accident"?

Ok....but then you contradict yourself...

> It wasn't. It was the result of hundreds of small and correct choices, not all of which were obvious at the time.

I'd call that fortuitous which is being accidentally lucky.

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