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Re:New MacBook Pro Is Not a Laptop for Developers Anymore by blowski on Friday October 28, 2016 @11:54AM (#12817338)
My laptop should work the way I want it to, not the other way around.
Re:New MacBook Pro Is Not a Laptop for Developers Anymore by patricius on Friday October 28, 2016 @12:23PM (#12817680)
But any laptop you buy is a product of some design chosen by other people and not something you can make work precisely as you want. You've adapted to the designs already available, not the other way around.
Re:New MacBook Pro Is Not a Laptop for Developers Anymore by blowski on Friday October 28, 2016 @12:27PM (#12817714)
I realise that, but I'm mostly adapted either to common standards (like QWERTY) or something that provides a benefit to me. I would like a laptop that fits the habits I already have as much as possible, unless there is some good reason for it not to be that way. From the demos I've seen of the touch bar, it will be a gimmick that I very rarely use, so why should I invest in the change?

Also, I work about 50/50 from a USB keyboard. With this keyboard layout, I would need to remember which keyboard I'm using - awful for productivity.

Re:New MacBook Pro Is Not a Laptop for Developers Anymore by geofft on Friday October 28, 2016 @12:31PM (#12817757)
Yes! I can't believe no one will sell me a laptop with the ESC key in the proper place for vi: http://vintagecomputer.ca/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/LSI-ADM...
Re:New MacBook Pro Is Not a Laptop for Developers Anymore by lucisferre on Friday October 28, 2016 @12:11PM (#12817532)
Then just map Esc to Caps Lock if you like. Unless you feel Caps Lock is still critical for commenting on YouTube videos, in that case I guess the new MBP is just a useless paperweight.
Re:New MacBook Pro Is Not a Laptop for Developers Anymore by EugeneOZ on Friday October 28, 2016 @12:22PM (#12817670)
It will not remap his muscle memory.
Re:New MacBook Pro Is Not a Laptop for Developers Anymore by palunon on Friday October 28, 2016 @12:42PM (#12817892)
If it's a key you use frequently, and no longer have the other option, muscle memory isn't that hard to retrain.
Re:New MacBook Pro Is Not a Laptop for Developers Anymore by EugeneOZ on Friday October 28, 2016 @01:00PM (#12818126)
You're wrong. Muscle memory is very hard to retrain. To buy laptop with esc button is much more easy. It will be just not MacBook Pro, but it's their problems.
Re:New MacBook Pro Is Not a Laptop for Developers Anymore by marrs on Tuesday November 01, 2016 @09:44AM (#12845622)
You're wrong? Muscle memory is not that hard to retrain. I had to do it when I first started using a Mac, on which most of the non-qwerty keys (and some of the qwerty ones too) are in a different location to the standard IBM layout.
Re:New MacBook Pro Is Not a Laptop for Developers Anymore by blowski on Friday October 28, 2016 @12:14PM (#12817572)
Nope - at the moment, my CAPS lock does nothing. But I'm not going to adjust my habit of where to find the ESC key just so I can have some pointless colourful lights.
Re:New MacBook Pro Is Not a Laptop for Developers Anymore by comex on Friday October 28, 2016 @12:43PM (#12817914)
Instead you could adjust your habit of where to find the ESC key for the sake of ergonomics (Caps Lock is much bigger and closer), like I did years ago, and take the colorful lights as a bonus.
Re:New MacBook Pro Is Not a Laptop for Developers Anymore by blowski on Friday October 28, 2016 @12:46PM (#12817953)
What about the fact that I frequently jump between machines, many of which aren't mine? It's the same as people telling me to learn the Dvorak layout. Any possible productivity gains are lost in forever remembering what keyboard I'm on.