Re:New MacBook Pro Is Not a Laptop for Developers Anymore
by jljljl on Friday October 28, 2016 @11:47AM
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During the demo, they showed an Esc key in the touch bar when using Terminal and a few other apps
Re:New MacBook Pro Is Not a Laptop for Developers Anymore
by denzil_correa on Friday October 28, 2016 @12:07PM
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Pretty much. I am struggling to understand the issue here.
Re:New MacBook Pro Is Not a Laptop for Developers Anymore
by falcolas on Friday October 28, 2016 @12:41PM
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Three points: The escape key is not where it is normally. The escape key is not present in all contextual operations (that is, you can open up a menu on the touchbar which causes the escape key to disappear in favor of a "close" button). There is no physical feedback that you've hit escape.
Re:New MacBook Pro Is Not a Laptop for Developers Anymore
by denzil_correa on Friday October 28, 2016 @02:21PM
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The only thing I can accept is the lack of feedback.
As long as the Escape keys exist when required, why worry about when they don't?
Re:New MacBook Pro Is Not a Laptop for Developers Anymore
by falcolas on Friday October 28, 2016 @02:31PM
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For me? Because I can't tell without looking at the keyboard whether it exists or not (and potentially whether it's been moved by some program's integration with the touchbar).
I've been touch typing for years now, and the idea that I have to look down at the keyboard to see if a key exists (a key that that has existed for the entirety of my computing history) is ludicrous.
Re:New MacBook Pro Is Not a Laptop for Developers Anymore
by jljljl on Friday October 28, 2016 @02:16PM
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I will admit, the lack of taptic feedback on the touch bar is surprising to me, given it's presence in the touchpad
Re:New MacBook Pro Is Not a Laptop for Developers Anymore
by city41 on Friday October 28, 2016 @12:01PM
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But then how do you change the volume when using vim? Does vim need a special touchbar that basically completely emulates the old keys? That seems excessive.
Re:New MacBook Pro Is Not a Laptop for Developers Anymore
by denzil_correa on Friday October 28, 2016 @12:02PM
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Uh, I mean the touchbar has so many keys. Escape would be one of them and the touchbar could behave like old keys once there is Terminal.
I fail to see the issue here.
Re:New MacBook Pro Is Not a Laptop for Developers Anymore
by otterley on Friday October 28, 2016 @12:03PM
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The volume controls remain on the right.
Re:New MacBook Pro Is Not a Laptop for Developers Anymore
by st3v3r on Friday October 28, 2016 @01:30PM
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Did you watch the presentation? Or are you just pearl clutching to try and crap on something you don't like?
Re:New MacBook Pro Is Not a Laptop for Developers Anymore
by marrs on Tuesday November 01, 2016 @09:53AM
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It's a perfectly fair point. The function keys provide 2 operations each, depending on whether you use the [fn] modifier, so does the ribbon duplicate this functionality or are we effectively left with half the functionality of the old keys?
Personally, I don't see how you can quickly modify the volume from the ribbon if the application you are using has repurposed that space for some other functionality it thinks you are more likely to want
Would it not be possible to map the dynamic touchbar keys to Esc when one is using vim?