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Re:Images of New MacBook Pro with Magic Toolbar Leaked in Ma... by JoshTriplett on Tuesday October 25, 2016 @06:44PM (#12792430)
> They just aren't that useful for many people, and so the muscle memory never forms.

I'd be surprised if the majority of touch-typists on Windows don't have muscle-memory for Alt-F4, at a minimum.

> They are also really far from home row on some keyboards

Fair enough; helps that I exclusively use and prefer laptop keyboards, to the point of having a USB ThinkPad keyboard/mouse combo on my desk.

Re:Images of New MacBook Pro with Magic Toolbar Leaked in Ma... by ghostly_s on Tuesday October 25, 2016 @07:19PM (#12792645)
Function key shortcuts have never been a significant Mac paradigm, and for good reason. Apple certainly would never put something OS-centric like 'close window' on a function key. They use contextually-relevant letter keys for shortcuts, and have been on a decades-long crusade to destroy the F-keys entirely. They haven't shipped a system with function keys that defaulted to function keys in 15 years; it's third-party software and the odd legacy text-based UI where you find them. The controls these are used for by typical users (volume, music, brightness) are not really things you need to be able to hit without looking, and exactly why I can see this succeeding on the Macbook where it was a frustration on the X1.
Re:Images of New MacBook Pro with Magic Toolbar Leaked in Ma... by x0x0 on Tuesday October 25, 2016 @08:10PM (#12792903)
fwiw, I regularly use the back/forward/play buttons on my mac keyboards, and I can touch type them.

That and option-shift-volume buttons to move volume up/down quarter ticks which is super helpful with earbuds that get way too loud otherwise.

Re:Images of New MacBook Pro with Magic Toolbar Leaked in Ma... by wingerlang on Tuesday October 25, 2016 @11:49PM (#12793743)
I can touch type F1, F2, F11, F12 because they are brightness and volume up down. At F7-F10 there are music controls, I would assume I hit them with 80% accuracy or less if I try to hit them directly.

Really sad to see them go, as well as the esc button.

I'm still on a 2008 macbook, and it was just kicked off from new OS updates (just updated to El Capitan) and the "next" device I look at and like is like 2013 model or something.

Re:Images of New MacBook Pro with Magic Toolbar Leaked in Ma... by ddalex on Wednesday October 26, 2016 @06:23AM (#12795296)
I am using Linux on a white Macbook from 2008 with an SSD. I still get OS updates, and while not a beast, it does a decent job for what I need (code editing, browsing).
Re:Images of New MacBook Pro with Magic Toolbar Leaked in Ma... by wingerlang on Wednesday October 26, 2016 @08:01AM (#12795727)
Oh yeah, I have almost no qualms about using this old one, well except for the fact that it is officially not receiving new OS versions - which eventually will become an issue.

The small resolution, no battery life, slow processor are only minor annoyances to me. It is fast enough for me, I do iOS development/browsing/movies.

Re:Images of New MacBook Pro with Magic Toolbar Leaked in Ma... by rayiner on Tuesday October 25, 2016 @06:53PM (#12792495)
But there is no commonly used Mac shortcut that uses the function keys.
Re:Images of New MacBook Pro with Magic Toolbar Leaked in Ma... by bobsil1 on Tuesday October 25, 2016 @07:28PM (#12792695)
Esc, play/pause, mute, volume down, volume up, Cmd+option+eject (sleep)
Re:Images of New MacBook Pro with Magic Toolbar Leaked in Ma... by ghshephard on Tuesday October 25, 2016 @07:11PM (#12792595)
escape key being the one exception. That is in my muscle memory.
Re:Images of New MacBook Pro with Magic Toolbar Leaked in Ma... by kriro on Wednesday October 26, 2016 @02:49AM (#12794423)
I pretty much only use ESC, F11 (show desktop) and F5 to reload the browser + the occasional f6 to jump to the browser address bar. I've also reversed the standard mapping so F11 is triggered without the fn-key.
Re:Images of New MacBook Pro with Magic Toolbar Leaked in Ma... by 4ad on Wednesday October 26, 2016 @03:27AM (#12794581)
show desktop: I use the trackpad gesture

reload: cmd+r

jump to browser bar: cmd+l

I have no idea what Esc does, I never use it.

Re:Images of New MacBook Pro with Magic Toolbar Leaked in Ma... by afishisafish on Thursday October 27, 2016 @04:56AM (#12803700)
Esc: cancel dialog
Re:Images of New MacBook Pro with Magic Toolbar Leaked in Ma... by fourthark on Tuesday October 25, 2016 @10:40PM (#12793500)
Show desktop.
Re:Images of New MacBook Pro with Magic Toolbar Leaked in Ma... by misingnoglic on Tuesday October 25, 2016 @07:23PM (#12792664)
Even though I have a general sense, I always look to check, as I don't want to do something crazy, eg press alt+f4