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Re:TSA to download your iTunes? by rit on Monday April 19, 2010 @02:35PM (#1277489)
The TSA has posted an official reply to this:

That's the Customs and Border Control's Job not ours. You can tell the difference because their uniform is NAVY blue and ours is more of a ROYAL blue. (I'm paraphrasing here but only barely. THEY ACTUALLY POINT OUT THE UNIFORM COLOR DIFF).

I wish/hope this was/is a joke:

http://www.tsa.gov/blog/2010/01/can-tsa-copy-your-laptop-har...

Re:TSA to download your iTunes? by milkshakes on Monday April 19, 2010 @03:42PM (#1277638)
As much as I hate to agree with him ( http://reason.com/blog/2010/01/19/tsa-pays-blogger-to-mock-p... ), in this case "Blogger Bob" has a point. It was customs, and not DHS who actually searched the laptop.

The court case: http://fourthamendment.com/blog/index.php?blog=1&title=s...

Re:TSA to download your iTunes? by Sukotto on Monday April 19, 2010 @04:10PM (#1277705)
Speaking as a fairly frequent traveler here...

In my mind, there are two sets of uniformed people at the airport. "Airline worker" (gate agent, skycap, pilots, etc) who are there to help me.... and "TSA" (Anyone with a badge, possibly a gun, and the ability to basically do whatever the hell they want) who are there to make life demeaning.

It doesn't matter to me that the dark blue person is Homeland Security, the pale blue person is Customs, and the in-between blue one is Immigration. They are all equally "the man" and equally capable putting me on the "fuck that guy" list.

Intellectually I understand that many of them perform a valuable service. Emotionally I fear (and by extension: hate) them and have grown to dread traveling.

Re:TSA to download your iTunes? by potatolicious on Monday April 19, 2010 @05:27PM (#1277897)
CBP is a different sort of dickheadedness than TSA.

TSA: Undertrained goons hopped up on terrorism paranoia. Will make your life absolutely miserable if given the prompt to do so (e.g., a tiny contraband item in your carry-on). Can't do too much to make your life miserable outside of missing your flight.

CBP: Will. Fuck. You. Up. As a non-American working in the US, I fear the CBP like the motherfucking gestapo. Each agent wields an insane amount of power to alter one's legal status in the USA, and they never hesitate to express this power to you. Unlike the TSA agents, who get no respect from even their employer, CBP goons are given a huge amount of unquestionable leeway in their jobs.

I've seen TSA workers cite regulation after regulation to make a traveler's life hell - but they've always been professional at least on the surface. I've seen CBP agents be blatantly racist, insulting, and grossly unprofessional and conduct themselves in ways unbecoming of a human being, much less a government representative. And there's not a damn thing that can be done.

Re:TSA to download your iTunes? by nfnaaron on Monday April 19, 2010 @06:06PM (#1277997)
I used to drive from Seattle to Vancouver for the weekend a few times a year, in the eighties, back when terrorism was something that happened on page six.

Driving in to Canada, their border guards were always pleasant, smiling and welcoming. They made me feel like they wanted me to visit.

Driving back to the US, our border guards seemed to feel like I was a criminal. I felt unwelcome in my own country. I felt "wanted."

I actually had to sit on the Group W bench once. The guard asked me a question, and I didn't hear him correctly. So I said "what?" I was polite (knowing who I was talking to).

"Out of the car." And they searched my car. Because I said "what?"

Re:TSA to download your iTunes? by jrockway on Monday April 19, 2010 @06:51PM (#1278092)
I'm a US citizen, and my experience has been the opposite.

Of course, US Immigration/Customs is not nearly as nice as immigration in other countries, but that's to be expected. (When I visit Norway and Denmark, the immigration people actually smile at you. When I visited Germany, the immigration officer actually laughed at something I said. It's like they are real people or something!)

Re:TSA to download your iTunes? by ojbyrne on Tuesday April 20, 2010 @08:10AM (#1279208)
Presumably because you're a citizen, they can't actually refuse you entry because they missed their morning coffee. Those of us who work legally in the US, but aren't citizens, have a different experience. Sometimes I feel like reminding them, that I too pay for their salary.
Re:TSA to download your iTunes? by ugh on Monday April 19, 2010 @08:12PM (#1278228)
Why is that to be expected?
Re:TSA to download your iTunes? by dedward on Monday April 19, 2010 @10:26PM (#1278430)
Because when something happens over and over and over again, you tend to expect it to keep happening.
Re:TSA to download your iTunes? by jrockway on Monday April 19, 2010 @10:41PM (#1278456)
Because the US takes immigration and police in general too seriously. Everyone is a criminal. Nobody is to be trusted.

Compare this to Europe (minus the UK and France), where people in positions of authority treat you nicely until they have a solid reason to do otherwise.

"Cultural difference" or whatever.

Re:TSA to download your iTunes? by dhimes on Monday April 19, 2010 @07:43PM (#1278176)
I've seen CBP agents be blatantly racist, insulting, and grossly unprofessional

As with a sibling poster, I am also a US citizen. Hearing about this infuriates me, especially, perhaps, on the anniversary of the Christian White Boy's bombing of the OK City Murrah building. That was terrorism, plain and simple.

There's just no excuse for that behavior. I'm not sure what I can do about it personally, but if you have an idea I'd like to hear it.

Re:TSA to download your iTunes? by cpr on Tuesday April 20, 2010 @03:56AM (#1278915)
Calling him Christian as an epithet doesn't add to your case.

You wouldn't do it if he were Muslim or Jewish.

How about just "criminally insane"?

Re:TSA to download your iTunes? by dhimes on Tuesday April 20, 2010 @07:38AM (#1279161)
It's exactly my point. When these "authorities" profile for terrorists, they are looking for middle eastern Muslims. The idea that they justify to themselves mistreating these people because of their ethnicity bothers me a lot. I point out that there are terrorist Christians, too.
Re:TSA to download your iTunes? by cpr on Tuesday April 20, 2010 @12:12PM (#1279800)
Sure, 1 we know of at this kind of scale, perhaps there's another I'm forgetting.

Compared to how many hundreds of thousands (millions?) of Muslim terrorists who are out there right now?

I'm not trying to pick on Muslims (we know that about 90% of Muslims are not radicalized Wahhabis); just pointing out the reality of the situation.

Re:TSA to download your iTunes? by dhimes on Wednesday April 21, 2010 @08:00AM (#1281925)
reality of the situation

I submit that's your perception. I'm not going to go deeply into this (because it's not the forum for it) but I'll simply say that if we don't enforce rigorous mental discipline on ourselves then what we perceive as a terrorist act vs "civil" conflict can be clouded by how we feel about its outcome rather than whom (and how) it targets. By that I mean, for example, someone who kills abortion doctors may consider his act not one of terrorism, the killing of innocent civilians, but one of justice because he is killing a killer.

how many hundreds of thousands (millions?) of Muslim terrorists who are out there right now

Doubtful. The entire Al Qaeda organization was estimated to be 5000 strong just after 9/11. Now, I know that Bush's policies brought a lot more into the fold but I would be surprised if there were hundreds of thousands of actual terrorists. That would be like me saying that all right to lifers were on a par with the killers among them. There are even some who may think the killing is partially justified (that is, understandable) but who wouldn't actually go so far as to carry it out. (You can swap PETA for right-to-lifers if you like.)

Re:TSA to download your iTunes? by rit on Monday April 19, 2010 @05:38PM (#1277923)
I was more mortified at the tone in which this was posted. Something about it seemed far too carefree and nonchalant, as if the most important thing is quibbling over the subtle shade of blue in their uniforms. These being the people who complained so much people didn't take them seriously that they now get fake cop badges and uniforms.
Re:TSA to download your iTunes? by Vivtek on Monday April 19, 2010 @10:03PM (#1278383)
You haven't read the TSA's blog much, I take it? It's all carefree and nonchalant. Nothing to see here, move along. The comment section can be entertaining, though.
Re:TSA to download your iTunes? by wtn on Monday April 19, 2010 @04:12PM (#1277713)
Customs is part of DHS.
Re:TSA to download your iTunes? by milkshakes on Monday April 19, 2010 @04:15PM (#1277721)
Touché. Well, at least I can go back to hating blogger bob again
Re:TSA to download your iTunes? by jrockway on Monday April 19, 2010 @10:48PM (#1278472)
Blogger Bob works for the TSA, which is a sibling of Customs. The common parent is the DHS.