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Re:A Professor Who Was Right About Index Funds All Along by bunderbunder on Saturday October 22, 2016 @10:16AM (#12768760)
I don't think this conversation can really proceed in a sensible manner without the introduction of some numbers.

Retail brokers typically charge a commission per trade. If you want to buy many different securities ('cuz diversification), and you don't have a whole lot of money to invest in the first place, you're going to end up paying a large percentage of your initial investment in commission. The exact amount will depend on your broker and how much money you had to begin with, and how many stocks you're diversifying among. That means you might be starting from a fairly deep hole to have to dig yourself out of before you're truly earning a positive return.

By contrast, with ETFs you only have to pay commission on no more than a handful of trades to get a well-diversified initial investment laid out. Your expected earnings rate might be fractionally lower, but since you're starting from a much shallower hole, you might have a decent head start compared to buying a well-diversified portfolio individual stocks.

So then you've got two theoretical curves describing how your wealth might grow, and whether one is more favorable than the other depends on whether those two lines are likely to intersect at a point that comes before your investment horizon.

Then you can throw in still more complications that, IMO, can make ETFs still look quite a bit more favorable than stocks for most investors. One is that many retail brokerages (Vanguard, for example) will let you buy a selection of ETFs for zero commission. That's a gift that keeps on giving, since it dramatically reduces the cost of making smaller investments more frequently.

Another is that picking stocks is a time-consuming process - you have to spend time learning how to do it, and then you have to spend time researching stocks. If you agree that time is money, then you should probably be including some estimate of the value of your time into the formula. You want your expected returns from manually selecting a portfolio to be great enough to justify your time. Which is yet another calculation that is going to be heavily influenced by individual factors, particularly how much money you have to play with, what your current earnings are, and most importantly, whether or not you think it's fun to pick stocks.

Re:A Professor Who Was Right About Index Funds All Along by grondilu on Saturday October 22, 2016 @10:19AM (#12768774)
> Another is that picking stocks is a time-consuming process

Just buy them all. Or pick them randomly. Let me remind you that this thread started with an article about the guy who wrote about the blindfolded monkeys.

Re:A Professor Who Was Right About Index Funds All Along by aianus on Saturday October 22, 2016 @10:44AM (#12768862)
It would cost $2500 in fees for me to buy a single share of every stock in the S&P500. Compared with $0 + some negligible MER to buy an ETF with the same money.
Re:A Professor Who Was Right About Index Funds All Along by chuymax on Saturday October 22, 2016 @12:21PM (#12769281)
If you want to buy every stock in the S&P500, any reason not to use Robin Hood with their $0 transaction fee?
Re:A Professor Who Was Right About Index Funds All Along by aianus on Saturday October 22, 2016 @02:06PM (#12769787)
It's not available in Canada.
Re:A Professor Who Was Right About Index Funds All Along by bunderbunder on Saturday October 22, 2016 @11:11AM (#12768972)
My guess is that he was being hyperbolic. But even if he weren't, you can still get something that has the same expected return over time as picking individual stocks at random for a much lower up-front price by choosing a total stock market ETF. Remember that he was writing that comment at a time when the latter option didn't exist.