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Re:Bryan Johnson invests $100M in Kernel to unlock the power... by nickpsecurity on Friday October 21, 2016 @04:47PM (#12764600)
Oh no. The guy behind my favorite company on bootstrapping page got rich selling it to a top schemer in payments industry and fell for others' bullshit that throwing money at neuroscience will make miracles happen. Wow. What an ending...
Re:Bryan Johnson invests $100M in Kernel to unlock the power... by the_watcher on Friday October 21, 2016 @07:27PM (#12765799)
A guy bootstrapped a company and got rich doing it: the best possible inspiration to future bootstrappers, but you find that a bad thing? What's your problem with someone spending his own money to chase something you think is impossible? Seriously, the amount of hate on HN for people that are actually trying to do hard things is astonishing.
Re:Bryan Johnson invests $100M in Kernel to unlock the power... by nickpsecurity on Friday October 21, 2016 @08:10PM (#12766089)
"A guy bootstrapped a company and got rich doing it: the best possible inspiration to future bootstrappers"

Oh no. That's one possible inspiration. Another would be Braintree IPOing or continuing as a company providing an alternative to Paypal's BS I constantly read about while guy continues to make tons of money or get rich. Then he invests in hard problems we're likely to solve where we have the necessary foundation to begin to achieve the stated goals.

Instead, he got rich selling off his good company and now has money to blow on stuff like this. Good for him. Still inspirational with Braintree's early work still something I'm going to cite. Just still worth critiquing for where it went or is going wrong so next bootstrapper considers better alternatives.

Also, realize the irony that you don't like us criticizing what he did with Braintree or where the money is going while Braintree itself owed its success to correct criticism of how successful payment companies were doing things & where their investments were going. He pointed out the problems, showed a better way via his offering, and now we're talking about him instead of them. ;)

Re:Bryan Johnson invests $100M in Kernel to unlock the power... by CaveTech on Friday October 21, 2016 @08:34PM (#12766195)
The man doesn't owe you a goddamn thing, and doesn't have some moral obligation to save you from shitty payment processing. You act like you rose him out of the ashes to save humanity and that's simply not the case.
Re:Bryan Johnson invests $100M in Kernel to unlock the power... by nickpsecurity on Friday October 21, 2016 @08:55PM (#12766293)
"The man doesn't owe you a goddamn thing, and doesn't have some moral obligation to save you from shitty payment processing."

That's compatible with my comment. It proposes alternative to the path he took that other bootstrappers with utilitarian bent might find interesting. It doesn't require him personally to do anything. I even said his success was "good for him" in terms of efforts in and result achieved.

"You act like you rose him out of the ashes to save humanity"

You made that up. I explicitly said he didn't. His goal was to get rich. It would take more selfless individuals to do lasting things for humanity. It will take majority of humanity working together to save humanity.

Re:Bryan Johnson invests $100M in Kernel to unlock the power... by tonyhb on Saturday October 22, 2016 @01:01AM (#12767282)
So giving away $100M of his own money isn't in the slightest selfless? He's a selfish individual? Helping terrible diseases isn't doing something lasting for humanity?
Re:Bryan Johnson invests $100M in Kernel to unlock the power... by nickpsecurity on Saturday October 22, 2016 @02:41PM (#12769966)
People have to be totally selfish or selfless says a false dichotomy. People seem to like those. I see people's actions to be along a spectrum between where the motivations vary depending on what they want to do. Some people seem to lean almost entirely toward one or the other but I'm not prescriptive about that.

We don't have to guess about his motivations, though. It's in the article:

"For Johnson, the quest is innately personal. His step-father has early signs of Alzheimer’s."

He and his step-father are suffering through the effects of Alzheimer's. He definitely has personal gain from a treatment that would work. There's a clear selfless angle on helping the step-father. He probably, after personally experiencing it, also would like to prevent others from going through the same thing. That's my guess. Respectable motivations for sure.

Re:Bryan Johnson invests $100M in Kernel to unlock the power... by the_watcher on Monday October 24, 2016 @12:06PM (#12780052)
You're correct. There are more inspirations. But the fact that he didn't cash out in the way that you wanted doesn't make him a failure.
Re:Bryan Johnson invests $100M in Kernel to unlock the power... by nickpsecurity on Monday October 24, 2016 @12:50PM (#12780533)
Im presenting alternatives for others to aspire to. Ive given him props for his success and still use his company as a positive example in several ways. I would never call him a failure.
Re:Bryan Johnson invests $100M in Kernel to unlock the power... by kevinalexbrown on Friday October 21, 2016 @05:44PM (#12765142)
Throwing money at neuroscience hasn't been so bad, has it?
Re:Bryan Johnson invests $100M in Kernel to unlock the power... by nickpsecurity on Friday October 21, 2016 @06:46PM (#12765565)
The link from bra-ket...

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/why-the-human-bra...

...illustrates the problem well. Here's a nice quote:

"Although researchers worldwide were publishing tens of thousands of neuroscience studies every year, neither our understanding of basic brain functions nor our ability to treat brain disorders seemed to be progressing much. "

It's mostly been a failure. The successes have been very, very limited from what I've read. I'm a non-expert that follows generalist scientific publications that report on breakthroughs and interesting products. So, maybe I've missed all the amazing things neuroscience is doing for people's health outside actual surgeries. I just figure spectacular results coming from all the grants and private investment would've made it into things I read. Rarely anything does past "Hmm. That study had some interesting results that might go somewhere some time with a lot more work." Followed by others that seem to contradict it or at least make me wonder.

I remember recently there was an article showing renewed interests in glial cells since they might be more critical to brain function than previously thought. Imagine that. All this research and money thrown at it since the beginning of the field operated on the assumption that they weren't significant. There were others I saw about neural communication in previous years that overturned prior beliefs. One can wonder what new fundamentals we'll learn in this next decade that will challenge our prior beliefs.

Introducing technology that improves how something functions usually needs accurate knowledge about how that something fundamentally works. Investments like Johnson's bet that results will be achieved without that knowledge or even with incorrect knowledge. Kind of like old gold rushes where people bet there'd be gold all over the place in certain areas without even prospecting them first. That's the feeling I get looking at neural ventures.

Note: We had them in the past, too. Implants to control or expand the mind, cause hallucinations, effortlessly give you lucid dreams, and so on. Enough interesting stuff happened that some tactical accomplishments might come from just throwing money at random stuff. Yet, all the interesting stuff of past and present still hasn't given a non-drug guarantee on things as basic as insomnia, depression, or ADD. All failure so far in big picture.

Re:Bryan Johnson invests $100M in Kernel to unlock the power... by the_watcher on Friday October 21, 2016 @07:28PM (#12765806)
So we should just quit. Do you actually find the best way to get hard things done to be quitting because others failed?
Re:Bryan Johnson invests $100M in Kernel to unlock the power... by nickpsecurity on Friday October 21, 2016 @08:13PM (#12766110)
The best way to do things with limited cash is to invest research into understanding how certain things are happening then devise solutions to specific problems or mechanisms identified. He might succeed where he does that. As other article indicated, that pre-requisite is often not there enough for stuff to happen. The article indicated another project with that problem was failing to tune of hundreds of millions of dollars while whole field was mostly failing to achieve useful stuff.
Re:Bryan Johnson invests $100M in Kernel to unlock the power... by PeCaN on Friday October 21, 2016 @11:46PM (#12767051)
Let's keep doing the same thing even though it's not working, because the only alternative is to quit!

Are you real or a markov chain

Re:Bryan Johnson invests $100M in Kernel to unlock the power... by the_watcher on Monday October 24, 2016 @12:11PM (#12780109)
No, the alternative is for you to invest $100M of your own money into a company to do things in this other alternative instead of the reflexive negativity that's going on here. I know it's easier to complain about how someone else spends their own money though.
Re:Bryan Johnson invests $100M in Kernel to unlock the power... by tim333 on Friday October 21, 2016 @08:06PM (#12766073)
There has been some success with things like cochlear and retinal implants. The approach Johnson and Berger appear to be taking doesn't seem so far removed from that.
Re:Bryan Johnson invests $100M in Kernel to unlock the power... by nickpsecurity on Friday October 21, 2016 @08:16PM (#12766119)
Oh yes, there's been successes. Thanks for the reminder on those. Johnson and Berger might have a chance if they keep their focus similarly narrow and practical. Personally I hope they succeed as I have brain damage myself. I'm just playing the odds on very ambitious projects that require correctly guessing how the brain works and changing that for the better.