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Re:Cuomo signs bill prohibiting Airbnb listings in NYC by busterarm on Friday October 21, 2016 @04:46PM (#12764589)
There are a shocking amount of units in NYC that are full-time Airbnbs. As a New Yorker, I am in favor of legislation that tries to ensure that New York's rental units are occupied by actual residents.
Re:Cuomo signs bill prohibiting Airbnb listings in NYC by sbarre on Friday October 21, 2016 @04:55PM (#12764679)
I read somewhere that Amsterdam has a rule that states you can only use your lodging for short-term rental for up to 60 days a year.

This seems like it maintains the sharing spirit of something like AirBnB (rent your place out occasionally when you're away) while preventing the problems that come from people essentially running unregulated hotels..

Re:Cuomo signs bill prohibiting Airbnb listings in NYC by bradleyjg on Friday October 21, 2016 @05:16PM (#12764907)
The problem is enforcement. As it is this law is all about tractability of enforcement, it doesn't change what apartments are or are not allowed to be let/sublet but rather adds a provision that makes it illegal to advertise an illegal unit. This is because the existing law is very difficult to enforce and AirBnB moguls are blatantly flaunting it. This is the same problem with those that suggest that we don't need state laws because condos and co-ops can just enforce their contractual rules. (Also, that argument neglects rental buildings.)

Relaxing the law in the manner you suggest would make it even more difficult to enforce than the law as it stood prior to this addition.

Re:Cuomo signs bill prohibiting Airbnb listings in NYC by threeseed on Friday October 21, 2016 @09:59PM (#12766621)
Enforcement could be simple.

Just like governments demand companies hand over financial information they could demand that AirBnb hands over the list of users and the total stay length.

Re:Cuomo signs bill prohibiting Airbnb listings in NYC by jonknee on Friday October 21, 2016 @10:56PM (#12766861)
But you have to do that for every similar service and try and match up records. It would be a nightmare. Landlords would also create different companies/accounts to rent out the max nights per year. It's just not enforceable.
Re:Cuomo signs bill prohibiting Airbnb listings in NYC by threeseed on Saturday October 22, 2016 @05:24AM (#12767989)
The tax office does this for tens of thousands of companies.

It can easily handle at most a dozen sharing sites. And it's trivial to prevent landlords from registering multiple accounts i.e. make sure no two landlords advertise the same address.

Re:Cuomo signs bill prohibiting Airbnb listings in NYC by smackfu on Friday October 21, 2016 @05:18PM (#12764917)
In some of these cities, you also have the issue where people are renting out their state subsidized housing as unregulated hotels. So they aren't even paying market rent for the place in the first place.
Re:Cuomo signs bill prohibiting Airbnb listings in NYC by dwightgunning on Friday October 21, 2016 @05:47PM (#12765169)
That's correct.

In a nutshell: 60 days max, fire safety equipment is mandatory, and the building home owner's association (body corporate) need to agree to it.

The city produced a one-pager to spell it out:

https://www.amsterdam.nl/publish/pages/707219/infographic_ho...

Re:Cuomo signs bill prohibiting Airbnb listings in NYC by eternalban on Friday October 21, 2016 @05:36PM (#12765083)
As a New Yorker I agree with you completely.

We the "people" who are not the "powerful" are getting pushed further away from the center each year chasing afforadable housing. Pretty soon we'll end up in Jersey or Long Island.

Re:Cuomo signs bill prohibiting Airbnb listings in NYC by kopfdsd8049 on Friday October 21, 2016 @05:14PM (#12764890)
Why not just leave the rules up to the property owners? For example, residents can move to properties where landlords have banned Airbnb customers. Wouldn't this be a win/win situation for everyone?
Re:Cuomo signs bill prohibiting Airbnb listings in NYC by busterarm on Friday October 21, 2016 @05:22PM (#12764972)
New York is a strong Tenant Rights state for good reason...

https://www.dnainfo.com/new-york/20151127/hells-kitchen-clin...

Edit: Nice throwaway. Tell us about your Airbnb unit!

Re:Cuomo signs bill prohibiting Airbnb listings in NYC by Broken_Hippo on Saturday October 22, 2016 @08:27AM (#12768401)
> For example, residents can move to properties where landlords have banned Airbnb customers.

The main problem with this sort of thing is that while it is easy to say that, it isn't actually always an option for folks. This is part of the reason why folks don't always just "move to where jobs are available."

Moving costs money and takes quite an effort. Minimally, for cost you have first month's rent and a deposit, usually equal. Sometimes last month's rent. There are fees for utilities, and sometimes deposits for them if you change companies. Collect boxes: Secure moving vehicles if you don't have something to move large stuff.

Heck, you might not even be able to move for months if the landlord starting allowing it after you signed your lease. Your lease might be against it, but the neighbor's doesn't.

This is truly only a win/win if you have the finances and time to be able to move.

Re:Cuomo signs bill prohibiting Airbnb listings in NYC by ng12 on Friday October 21, 2016 @05:05PM (#12764807)
NYC has an incredible dearth of affordable short-term housing. I'm honestly not sure how I would have been able to afford moving there without AirBnB.
Re:Cuomo signs bill prohibiting Airbnb listings in NYC by saalweachter on Friday October 21, 2016 @05:34PM (#12765073)
There are many ways! The ones used by myself, my friends, and my family when moving to The Big City and looking for a job/permanent housing included:

  1.  Couch surfing with friends/family.
  2.  Youth hostels / YMCA.
  3.  Renting a terrible apartment cheap, sight-unseen,
      breaking the lease early when better options became
      available.
  4.  The Daughters of Divine Charity, et al, run boarding
      houses.
  5.  Rent a place in the outer boroughs, Jersey, Yonkers,
      etc, take the train in until you find something
      closer.
  6.  Walk around until you see "room for rent" signs.
  7.  Check papers, Craiglist for roommates (*actual* room
      sharing -- a number of people I know started off
      renting a *bed*, not even a bed*room*.)
Re:Cuomo signs bill prohibiting Airbnb listings in NYC by ng12 on Friday October 21, 2016 @05:38PM (#12765105)
Ok, I wasn't being entirely literal. The point is AirBnB was just about the only way to find safe, convenient, relatively affordable housing for a few weeks. And it's probably going to get worse now given that this legislation applies to services like Craigslist as well.
Re:Cuomo signs bill prohibiting Airbnb listings in NYC by busterarm on Friday October 21, 2016 @05:44PM (#12765143)
And I think the point that people are trying to make is that your convenience may be coming at the expense of others.
Re:Cuomo signs bill prohibiting Airbnb listings in NYC by ng12 on Friday October 21, 2016 @05:57PM (#12765251)
I think that's a false assumption. Is AirBnB really the bottleneck for NYC rents?
Re:Cuomo signs bill prohibiting Airbnb listings in NYC by busterarm on Friday October 21, 2016 @06:04PM (#12765300)
AirBNB units make up 1/5 of 1% of the NYC's rental units. A bottleneck? no, but sizable and impactful, especially when you consider that these tend to be clustered around where they're convenient.
Re:Cuomo signs bill prohibiting Airbnb listings in NYC by ng12 on Friday October 21, 2016 @06:18PM (#12765409)
> where they're convenient

Convenient is not the right description -- high demand is. Who's to say an AirBnB is a worse use of space for, say, a unit in SoHo than a year-round resident?

AirBnB has real issues -- zoning, hotel tax, safety, etc -- but politicians like to use rent cost/resident displacement because it's an easy rallying call.

Re:Cuomo signs bill prohibiting Airbnb listings in NYC by braveo on Friday October 21, 2016 @05:54PM (#12765223)
and the question is how?
Re:Cuomo signs bill prohibiting Airbnb listings in NYC by morgante on Saturday October 22, 2016 @07:01AM (#12768225)
I feel like you proved his point for him. All of these are insanely uncomfortable and poor options.
Re:Cuomo signs bill prohibiting Airbnb listings in NYC by xenihn on Friday October 21, 2016 @05:55PM (#12765236)
>a number of people I know started off renting a bed, not even a bedroom

Was it worth it?

Re:Cuomo signs bill prohibiting Airbnb listings in NYC by saalweachter on Friday October 21, 2016 @06:50PM (#12765584)
Eh, I don't know that most of the people I knew who sublet half a bedroom would ask themselves that question.

Subletting half a bedroom from a total stranger can be inconvenient and occasionally weird but if you're fresh out of college it's not really that different from the dorm room experience for most people. And it usually costs less than half what an apartment does a month, and is usually month to month or so.

Re:Cuomo signs bill prohibiting Airbnb listings in NYC by busterarm on Friday October 21, 2016 @05:08PM (#12764830)
> NYC has an incredible dearth of affordable housing.

I fixed that for you. The thing is, in most cases what is being done with these units was already illegal.

Re:Cuomo signs bill prohibiting Airbnb listings in NYC by ng12 on Friday October 21, 2016 @05:43PM (#12765138)
You mean Manhattan has a dearth of affordable housing. Nobody's complaining about AirBnB's in Coney Island.
Re:Cuomo signs bill prohibiting Airbnb listings in NYC by busterarm on Friday October 21, 2016 @05:54PM (#12765220)
Most of Brooklyn, Queens and at least 2/3 of the Bronx has an affordable housing crisis as well.

Picking out the one or two unattractive neighborhoods to live in doesn't really do anyone any good.

Re:Cuomo signs bill prohibiting Airbnb listings in NYC by ng12 on Friday October 21, 2016 @05:56PM (#12765243)
And you think AirBnB has anything to do with the rental prices in the Bronx or Queens?

I'm just saying I don't really feel bad about a unit in Lower Manhattan somewhere being off the market because it's rented to tourists.

Re:Cuomo signs bill prohibiting Airbnb listings in NYC by mtalantikite on Friday October 21, 2016 @05:13PM (#12764877)
When I moved here 9 or so years ago I signed a lease on a studio without seeing it first.

Honestly, it wasn't so hard.

Re:Cuomo signs bill prohibiting Airbnb listings in NYC by ng12 on Friday October 21, 2016 @05:32PM (#12765057)
Hard? No, but that's an undeniably worse process.
Re:Cuomo signs bill prohibiting Airbnb listings in NYC by mtalantikite on Friday October 21, 2016 @05:43PM (#12765135)
I could have also rented a room for a couple of months while I figured things out (which is still legal, even on Airbnb), but this was a rent stabilized apartment in a nice neighborhood. It's pretty common for deals like that to be rented sight unseen.

Either way, there are many options for moving to the city. This doesn't really make moving to the city significantly more difficult than it has always been.

Re:Cuomo signs bill prohibiting Airbnb listings in NYC by ng12 on Friday October 21, 2016 @05:48PM (#12765173)
> It's pretty common for deals like that to be rented sight unseen.

Given the prevalence of the broker industry I'm not sure that's the case.

Either way -- the city only cares because they're missing out on hotel taxes. I don't think the city actually cares too much about who can afford an apartment in the desirable neighborhoods that have a high volume of AirBnBs.

Re:Cuomo signs bill prohibiting Airbnb listings in NYC by mtalantikite on Friday October 21, 2016 @06:01PM (#12765274)
> Given the prevalence of the broker industry I'm not sure that's the case.

I paid a broker that I found on Craigslist. No one said renting an apartment in NYC doesn't suck.

> I don't think the city actually cares too much about who can afford an apartment in the desirable neighborhoods that have a high volume of AirBnBs.

As a resident that lives in one of those desirable Brooklyn neighborhoods that has turned into Times Square for European tourists, I actually do think the city is looking out for me.

Re:Cuomo signs bill prohibiting Airbnb listings in NYC by ng12 on Friday October 21, 2016 @06:21PM (#12765424)
> As a resident that lives in one of those desirable Brooklyn neighborhoods that has turned into Times Square for European tourists, I actually do think the city is looking out for me.

Now that's an honest argument: "I just don't like tourists". The whole raising-prices-displacing-real-new-yorkers thing is just disingenuous.

Re:Cuomo signs bill prohibiting Airbnb listings in NYC by mtalantikite on Friday October 21, 2016 @06:37PM (#12765514)
It's two sides of the same coin. Tourists and transients displace long term residents, no?
Re:Cuomo signs bill prohibiting Airbnb listings in NYC by ng12 on Friday October 21, 2016 @06:52PM (#12765593)
NYC already has a rent-stabilization policy -- so generally speaking they don't. In fact, tourism bolsters the local economy which provides jobs for local residents.

I personally disagree with time spent being a metric for who gets to live here and who doesn't but people don't take kindly to that sentiment in the US.

Re:Cuomo signs bill prohibiting Airbnb listings in NYC by busterarm on Friday October 21, 2016 @10:45PM (#12766809)
Rent Stabilization has been in the process of being phased out since 1970:

- Rent Control simply doesn't exist if you or a relative you co-habitated for years with under special conditions lived there before then.

- Rent Stabilization for a unit ends the moment the stabilized rent hits within striking distance of market rate or the number of stabilized units in-building drops below a threshold. More units deregulate every year than are added and this is true year over year as well (sole exceptions to the latter being in 2014 & 2015).

Re:Cuomo signs bill prohibiting Airbnb listings in NYC by ceras on Saturday October 22, 2016 @11:29AM (#12769059)
But it's a very slow process: a majority of NYC residents live in below-market-rate housing. And Bill de Blasio's mayor campaign was anchored on preventing "affordable housing" units from leaving the pool, so the rate of decrease may have slowed down.
Re:Cuomo signs bill prohibiting Airbnb listings in NYC by tzs on Saturday October 22, 2016 @12:56AM (#12767264)
The law does not prohibit short term AirBnB rentals in general. It prohibits them when the owner does not also occupy the unit. You'd still be able to use AirBnB to rent someone's spare room short term.
Re:Cuomo signs bill prohibiting Airbnb listings in NYC by mahyarm on Friday October 21, 2016 @06:26PM (#12765452)
What are the numbers? When the numbers were released for SF, it was a number around ~6000. While SF rent laws cause over 30'000 units to stay off the market because landlords don't want to deal with the risk and hassle. And even more potential units are 'off the market' because of building restrictions.