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Re:Adding a phone number to your Google account can make it ... by vonklaus on Thursday October 20, 2016 @03:59PM (#12755594)
I think the main issue is that google doesn't accept certain senders anymore. As a generic thread about running a mailserver/mail service pops up here often.

That means users are shoveled into about one of 4 "acceptable" providers which have control of the entire market. They demand, full name and usually gender, mobile, alternative email and more.

So you get pushed into their information pipeline to stop "spam".

Re:Adding a phone number to your Google account can make it ... by djsumdog on Thursday October 20, 2016 @04:18PM (#12755765)
Yep, I wrote one not too long ago:

http://penguindreams.org/blog/how-google-and-microsoft-made-...

I've been meaning to write a follow up after I met some MailChip devs at a conference. They told me at MailChip they have to slowly spin up new servers, sending e-mail through them slowly so Google registers their new SMTP IPs.

The other thing they told me: MailChip owns a /A, and can therefore separately out their servers from even being remotely related to any spammy subnets (common problem on 'cloud' hosting).

I'm wondering if I heard/remember that correctly. I mean, a class A is huge and would be crazy expensive. I've been looking through websites on ASNs and am trying to figure out how to verify that info.

Re:Adding a phone number to your Google account can make it ... by drv on Thursday October 20, 2016 @05:03PM (#12756140)
(Assuming you mean MailChimp)

I don't know anything about how MailChimp operates, but a quick search turns up this blog post about how to set up SPF records [1].

From there, you can get a list of which IPs MailChimp authorizes as a sender; following the SPF include directive, you can see they specify two IPv4 ranges, both of which are in class C space, so it seems unlikely that MailChimp has their own class A for SMTP senders.

[1]: https://blog.mailchimp.com/senderid-authentication-for-your-...

Re:Adding a phone number to your Google account can make it ... by dunham on Thursday October 20, 2016 @07:15PM (#12756976)
Yeah, we do something similar, although we send a much smaller amount of email than MailChimp.

Our admin runs about 10% of the outgoing mail through our DR site to keep google et al trained to accept emails from those IPs.

Re:Adding a phone number to your Google account can make it ... by cmdrfred on Thursday October 20, 2016 @04:18PM (#12755759)
It accepts my personal mail server just fine. You need to support encryption, spf, and dkim but mail will flow no problem to gmail users in my experience.
Re:Adding a phone number to your Google account can make it ... by rsync on Thursday October 20, 2016 @10:36PM (#12757800)
Not mine, FWIW. Ten out of ten score on mail-tester.com, a clean IP that I acquired 15 years ago ... and further, gmail watches people daily remove my one-to-one correspondence from their spam folders.

And yet, most (but not all) new gmail recipients will not see my emails until they remove them from their spam folder.

Google does not want people to self-provide email and there is no incentive for them to do so.

Re:Adding a phone number to your Google account can make it ... by twr on Thursday October 20, 2016 @11:25PM (#12757959)
dnsbl.info reports that 69.43.165.11, MX for mail.rsync.net, is blacklisted by ips.backscatterer.org:

http://www.backscatterer.org/?ip=69.43.165.11

I suggest fixing your SMTP server configuration [1][2] and maybe listing your IP on dnswl.org. (edit: I see you did the latter.)

[1]: http://www.backscatterer.org/index.php?target=bounces

[2]: https://web.archive.org/web/20140215064312/http://spamlinks....

Re:Adding a phone number to your Google account can make it ... by rsync on Friday October 21, 2016 @01:39PM (#12762656)
That's the rsync.net mailserver and that's interesting, thank you.

However I was speaking of my own, personal mailserver, which is not listed.

Also - do we really think "big email" (like google) are using either of these (blacklist or whitelist) services ?

Re:Adding a phone number to your Google account can make it ... by cmdrfred on Friday October 21, 2016 @02:31PM (#12763217)
I can't tell you what goes on behind the scenes at Google, but I have resolved email issues to gmail by getting removed from blacklists.
Re:Adding a phone number to your Google account can make it ... by x1798DE on Thursday October 20, 2016 @04:53PM (#12756071)
It certainly could be an issue, but honestly even if it were possible to set up my own mail server, that's even worse for pseudonymity than a google account because ICANN records are public and I'd be the only one using my domains. It would make it much easier for some random person to uniquely identify me, which is a worse threat than Google identifying me by my phone number. This is one of those situations where anonymity loves company.

Also, the problem is not limited to e-mail. There are some non-email services from Google. I'd be perfectly happy to sign up for a Google account where you can't send e-mails, or where you can only send e-mails to people who have sent you e-mails.

Re:Adding a phone number to your Google account can make it ... by morganvachon on Friday October 21, 2016 @07:10AM (#12759463)
> ICANN records are public and I'd be the only one using my domains

Several domain registration services and hosting providers offer to mask your whois information by making themselves the point of contact. Some include this as part of your package; Tiger Technologies does this as a free opt-in. Namecheap offers it as a paid add-on via WhoisGuard.