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Re:All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving ... by svantana on Thursday October 20, 2016 @04:59AM (#12750714)
The only problem is, Tesla's sensor suite is too weak to ever get to full autonomy. So once they upgrade the sensors, what good is the data from the old sensors? Perhaps it's possible to extrapolate the data somehow, to have a database of "situations" rather than actual sensor data?
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Re:All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving ... by dabeeeenster on Thursday October 20, 2016 @05:02AM (#12750728)
Your sensor suite is two cameras below the level of the rear view mirror and two microphones.
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Re:All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving ... by MertsA on Thursday October 20, 2016 @07:41AM (#12751459)
And look at how many accidents that causes. We also have a highly refined system to process that input and from the looks of it, this is a very hard problem to solve with a computer. I don't think stereoscopic vision and a few microphones can ever beat a human driver on average for all types edge cases without creating a good artificial general intelligence first.

I think a combination of LIDAR and cameras is probably going to be required for a truly autonomous car, at least for the first decade or two.

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Re:All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving ... by davedx on Thursday October 20, 2016 @05:12AM (#12750768)
What do you make of this, then?

https://www.tesla.com/nl_NL/videos/full-self-driving-hardwar...

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Re:All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving ... by svantana on Thursday October 20, 2016 @07:17AM (#12751329)
That I would call: driving autonomously with a human driver ready to take over if something unexpected were to happen. I believe that to get to superhuman performance (which is probably what will be needed to make it legal) you will need 360 degree ranging (i.e. LIDAR). Also, it is inevitable that these sensors will become so cheap that it's a no-brainer to include them.
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Re:All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving ... by davedx on Thursday October 20, 2016 @09:16AM (#12751887)
You said: "Tesla's sensor suite is too weak to ever get to full autonomy"

The video clearly shows a fully autonomous vehicle in a range of driving conditions. How about accepting that the sensor suite is adequate?

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Re:All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving ... by EmployedRussian on Saturday October 22, 2016 @04:58PM (#12770528)
> The video clearly shows a fully autonomous vehicle in a range of driving conditions.

The video shows a fully autonomous vehicle in a range of (relatively) easy driving conditions.

1. There is not a single "sticky" situation in that video. Handling 90% of situations is (relatively) easy; it's the last 1% that is extremely hard.

2. It's not clear how many tries it took to record that video, but likely more than one.

3. At the end of the video, the car drives in the opposite lane of where it's supposed to. That smells of a highly-staged demo, not a general purpose solution.

In short, this video in no way proves that the sensor suite is anywhere close to being sufficient. Can that car repeat the same trip at night? In rain? Can it drive down Castro St. in Mountain View or University St. in Palo Alto at lunch time? Etc. etc.

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