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Re:What If the Newspaper Industry Made a Colossal Mistake? by jdietrich on Tuesday October 18, 2016 @07:22PM (#12739629)
Where do you draw the line on what constitutes journalism? Are politics bloggers journalists? Are bloggers who occasionally talk about politics journalists? Are people who livetweet a news event that they're involved in acting as journalists?

How do you safeguard the political independence of the licensing of journalists? How do you ensure that a future government doesn't abuse the licensing regulations to suppress political criticism?

In the US, how do you reconcile this with the first amendment? How can you justify silencing people because they lack the 'correct' qualifications? If the only restriction is on the title 'journalist', what stops people from calling themselves a blogger while doing exactly the same things that a journalist does?

Re:What If the Newspaper Industry Made a Colossal Mistake? by betenoire on Tuesday October 18, 2016 @10:59PM (#12740670)
good questions.

I think the methods applied are what needs accredited, not the results themselves. If an organization calls itself news or whatever nomenclature we agree to, they are claiming to follow accredited guidelines that we collectively trust.

At the end of the day, it comes down to heuristics around trust. It's not the message I want to validate, it's the means of preparation that bother me more. I can draw my own conclusions if I can trust the method.

Looking at it this way, would that resolve some of your concerns? Open auditing and accrediting do not need to involve censorship at all. You never lose the ability to say what you want, just to call yourself a "certified whatever". I dunno.

Re:What If the Newspaper Industry Made a Colossal Mistake? by rhizome on Wednesday October 19, 2016 @02:30AM (#12741567)
What is it about journalism that requires standards like plumbers, doctors, and accountants? More to the point, if you look at the reasons why plumbers, doctors, and locksmiths are held to standards, which ones apply to journalism?

Note also that journalism is the only one of your mentioned professions that is specifically called out for protection in the Constitution.

Re:What If the Newspaper Industry Made a Colossal Mistake? by betenoire on Wednesday October 19, 2016 @11:51AM (#12744876)
> More to the point, if you look at the reasons why plumbers, doctors, and locksmiths are held to standards, which ones apply to journalism?

Which ones don't?

The freedom of the press is the same thing as free speech, it applies to all of us. Correct me if you are referring to something else and I'm misunderstanding.

There are best practices in journalism, no? Disclosure, ethics, etc. How can I know if someone I rely on for information follows these rules. That's all I'm asking.

Doesn't canada do this? Aren't there requirements for calling yourself a news agency?

Re:What If the Newspaper Industry Made a Colossal Mistake? by rhizome on Wednesday October 19, 2016 @02:55PM (#12746625)
Which ones don't?

I contend that none of them do.

Re:What If the Newspaper Industry Made a Colossal Mistake? by betenoire on Wednesday October 19, 2016 @08:16PM (#12748901)
In your opinion, why is it ok to regulate lock pickers? What are the reasons that you think don't apply?
Re:What If the Newspaper Industry Made a Colossal Mistake? by GuiA on Tuesday October 18, 2016 @08:21PM (#12739916)
> Are politics bloggers journalists? Are bloggers who occasionally talk about politics journalists? Are people who livetweet a news event that they're involved in acting as journalists?

No. They are respectively a blogger, a blogger, and a Twitter user.

Re:What If the Newspaper Industry Made a Colossal Mistake? by nercht12 on Tuesday October 18, 2016 @09:56PM (#12740390)
Then what's a "journalist"? Someone who gets paid to go do the research? "Journalist" is derived from "journal" (duh, but important) - bloggers are nothing more than online journalists. The fact that they are called "bloggers" is only because society has elected to stick with the term "blog" for an online journal.
Re:What If the Newspaper Industry Made a Colossal Mistake? by K_REY_C on Tuesday October 18, 2016 @09:51PM (#12740370)
And yet if they're at the same event I'm quite likely getting something that, in combination, is much closer to what I'd call journalism.
Re:What If the Newspaper Industry Made a Colossal Mistake? by pyre on Tuesday October 18, 2016 @10:33PM (#12740551)
> If the only restriction is on the title 'journalist', what stops people from calling themselves a blogger while doing exactly the same things that a journalist does?

I don't think that anyone would be proposing restricting speech in this way, but on the same note, papers such as Weekly World News maybe couldn't pump out more stories about Bat Boy while attempting to call themselves journalists...

Re:What If the Newspaper Industry Made a Colossal Mistake? by rhizome on Wednesday October 19, 2016 @02:37AM (#12741588)
Do WWN writers call themselves journalists? There's something to be said for what readers call journalism. It isn't the same for everybody. So, is it the journalist's responsibility to hold to a standard, or is it the audience's fault for thinking that a particular writer is a journalist?

This raises the question: can the term "journalist" even be controlled?

Re:What If the Newspaper Industry Made a Colossal Mistake? by Esau on Wednesday October 19, 2016 @05:51AM (#12742420)
It can't.