>And before you say those scandals are a result of partisan witch-hunting, Obama never had these scandals that Hillary did.

Um, are you just blanking 2004 out of your head? This is just the same stuff all over again. All of the screaming and shouting about birth certificates and generally shady connections? His ultimate Muslim agenda to bring down the Great Satan that is America?

Absolutely nothing of worth is coming from the leaked documents, despite all hell being raised about a smoking gun (that no one can point to) in them. It literally is a witch hunt. If these past 4 elections aren't going to kill the GOP in general, I don't know if anything will. It should be disgusting the out right lies and propaganda that they employ, with a complete lack of integrity and standards. But people still buy into the juicy conspiracy theories and the generally "known and accepted" unknowns.

If HRC is the dirtiest candidate in the history of politics, then then last 4 decades of investigations and general obstructionism were undertaken by the most incompetent politicians in the history of politics. Not just one, a whole collection of individuals (senators, house members, governors) from one party who despite their best efforts continually fails at proving claims they have no problem repeating until people start to believe them.

> And before you say those scandals are a result of partisan witch-hunting, Obama never had these scandals that Hillary did.

I'm sorry, none of these seem like witch hunts to you?

- He wasn't born in the United States

- He's a Muslim

- Connection to William Ayers

- Connection to Jeremiah Wright

- Connection to ACORN

- IRS targets enemies

- Benghazi

- Fast and Furious

- Solyndra

- Death Panels

- Not saluting soldiers

- Not putting his hand on his heart during anthem

And let me highlight that Colin Powell referred to Benghazi as a "stupid witch hunt".

http://www.cnn.com/2016/09/14/politics/colin-powell-benghazi...

He's also had a national political career less than half the length of HRC's.

The Republicans have spent decades and hundreds of millions of dollars investigating Hillary and so far, nothing has stuck. She may actually be the cleanest candidate in the history of politics.

Nothing sticking on her doesn’t have to mean she is the cleanest. It could also mean she has the best spin-doctors or very influential friends that help steer the public discourse.

Like a husband who was president or the fact she (and her husband) are ridiculous corrupt and sell appointments [1]

[1] http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/10/politics/hillary-clinton-donor...

There are also people who believe Obama created Hurricane Matthew to suppress turnout without, using his network of wind farms.

There really are people who believe that.

In fact, depending on where you get your news, you might also believe that Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama are actual literal demons, who smell of sulfur.

Did you know Obama is going to overturn the constitution and run for a third term?

We ought to acknowledge that the left had that concern at the end of the Bush administration, too. :(

Yep. I just roll my eyes whenever I hear it from either side. I'd like to think that the American public would never let such a thing happen.

I do recall hearing a chant during the convention "Four! More! Years!"

I don't believe I made any outrageous claims. I literally linked to a CNN article (which is usually considered middle to slightly left leaning) regarding a top clinton donor being appointed to a security committee.

I definitely don't think you should disregard others opinions just because,

"There are also people who believe Obama created Hurricane Matthew to suppress turnout without, using his network of wind farms."

That has no weight, and is just a deflection.

The article you linked to does not make the claim you did. Why is your spin more credible than the claim that Clinton is a sulfurous demon who is motivated only by a hatred of Christianity?

But, again! This is an unproductive political argument. If you support Trump, your support for Wikileaks is entirely coherent. I'm not here to argue that people shouldn't support Trump (I hope those arguments are self-evident). I'm here to point out that people who oppose Trump should recognize the role Wikileaks is playing.

The article did make the claim, it was pointing out how one of the largest clinton foundation donors, as well as straight political donors was given a seat on the state departments Intel board, despite not being qualified. Eventually, they had to step down.

Again, what you said has no bearing on what I said... I wasn't even discussing wikileaks - I was responding to the parent, mentioning how nothing sticks.

As for political ideology, again I made no comment. It's fair to call Hilary corrupt because she is, there's no political leaning involved in my comment. She clearly did a bunch of stuff on the edge of what was moral/legal. She clearly makes deals to gain favors - that's basically what politics is. I made zero comments on trump.

Finally, I am not a supporter of either candidate - they both suck and both aren't representative of my views. Nor are either going to improve my quality of life or increase my personal (or family) security.

There are also people who believe exactly what you do politically, but also believe in alien abductions, crop cirles, homeopathy and what have you. You can be sure of it.

Pointing to fringes to discredit the mainstream of said fringe is just a cheap tactic, not something worth doing out of concern for the truth.

I wouldn't say "cleanest". A lot of the stuff she's been investigated for is completely true, but for whatever reason hasn't stuck. We know for a fact the whole emails thing was completely true. She sent state secrets over a private email server using non-secured devices, and those emails were leaked to foreign governments. Doesn't sound "clean" to me.

An aside - it's been mentioned many times in recent years that the rules regarding email for adminstration officials were never so clearly defined as to preclude someone from running their own email server and the Bush administration employed many non governmental email accounts and servers. They even 'lost' Up To 22 million. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bush_White_House_email_controv... I'm honestly curious as to why that was never investigated with the same level of intensity.

The simplest explanation is that the Democrats were only briefly in power in Congress and going after the Bush administration didn't make political sense — Obama rather famously called to move forward rather than fight over the past.

In contrast, a wide range of right-wing people have spent three decades and many millions of dollars going after both Clintons, with considerable personal demonization over that time. When Obama was elected, the GOP's goal was to limit him to one term. That means a bunch of people had angles to exploit anything remotely plausible: it kept the base riled up and voting accordingly, it helped attack the sitting president by association, and maybe damage his most likely successor. The entire email story was only discovered as part of the endless attempts to trump up a scandal from the Benghazi attack, by which time the pattern of relentlessly litigating everything was just the assumed default.

There just isn't an equivalent on the Democratic side. Yes, there are people who don't like Bush (or now Trump) but there aren't rich people pushing to scrutinize his private life and the members of Congress don't seem to think that's a good use of their time.

We in fact do not know that. Moreover, during the time period Clinton was using her personal mail server --- a thing she discussed at length with Colin Powell, her predecessor --- the State Department's own email server was comprehensively owned up by (wait for it) Russian hackers.

It is not only possible but actually somewhat likely that her mails were safer on her own server.

source on the source being russian hackers? besides from msm echochamber?

The "msm echochamber" thing is an especially funny trope, as it amounts to saying, "source on that claim, apart from all of the journalists who actually investigate claims like this".

There's evidence in the leaked emails that parts of the media take orders from political entities or politically interested parent companies. I don't think it's unreasonable to ask for a source that isn't essentially a known liar.

It is an unreasonable request, given that the emails say nothing of the sort.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/14/magazine/anatomy-of-a-medi...

Trump is much dirtier, and most of that, including outright bribery illegally using charity fund, had come out without needing anything like WikiLeaks.

If he's so dirty then why the most damning thing the MSM could pin on him is a locker room conversation?

Thank you for making my point for me.