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Re:Virus stole poison genes from black widow spider by sidcool on Sunday October 16, 2016 @11:25PM (#12722513)
Evolution has some very interesting ways to increase chances of survival. Still most of the species that ever lived are extinct today. Those alive have beaten great odds.

Viruses are the enigma of evolution. Are they just chemicals, or living?

Re:Virus stole poison genes from black widow spider by whyenot on Monday October 17, 2016 @12:37AM (#12722715)
> Viruses are the enigma of evolution. Are they just chemicals, or living?

Biology is full of edge cases like this. For a few more examples, google "species problem". Human beings often like to classify things into discrete groups, but that doesn't necessarily map onto the natural world all that well.

Re:Virus stole poison genes from black widow spider by laumars on Monday October 17, 2016 @06:37AM (#12723891)
indeed. This reminds me of the arguments about whether fungus is a plant or an animal.
Re:Virus stole poison genes from black widow spider by pjscott on Monday October 17, 2016 @12:02AM (#12722621)
Are you sure that's a real question? The answer is probably just that the words you're using don't quite fit the underlying reality.
Re:Virus stole poison genes from black widow spider by theparanoid on Monday October 17, 2016 @03:23AM (#12723206)
Natural selection mostly selects against change. Without selection the cockroach would have mutated.

Viruses are not an enigma, another parasitic genetic element are Inteins - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intein.

Re:Virus stole poison genes from black widow spider by wwggggoi on Monday October 17, 2016 @04:08AM (#12723380)
Viruses are not living, because they have no metabolism and they cannot self-replicate (they require the replication apparatus of the host)

Viruses are not self-contained systems, they are more like organelles of cells, which transfer data between hosts.

edit: sorry I didn't been organelles I meant vesicles in cells

Re:Virus stole poison genes from black widow spider by ArkyBeagle on Tuesday October 18, 2016 @06:45AM (#12733329)
This seems to me like saying "wow, that frame of film on that movie sure is lucky to be up there right now" 24 times a second.
Re:Virus stole poison genes from black widow spider by thaumasiotes on Sunday October 16, 2016 @11:41PM (#12722560)
> Still most of the species that ever lived are extinct today.

Depends on your view of the Ship of Theseus.

Re:Virus stole poison genes from black widow spider by lappa on Monday October 17, 2016 @12:38AM (#12722718)
We wouldn't be able to mate with Nakalipithecus nakayamai, so they are indeed a distinct species despite being our ancestor.
Re:Virus stole poison genes from black widow spider by thaumasiotes on Monday October 17, 2016 @03:14AM (#12723183)
By this criterion, there are very, very few bacterial species.
Re:Virus stole poison genes from black widow spider by manifestsilence on Monday October 17, 2016 @03:24PM (#12728485)
I seem to recall this being the reason the sexual reproduction definition of species is considered problematic. It's a convenient definition for animals but breaks down for most other things, and even the animal kingdom has some funky edge cases, like the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zebroid.
Re:Virus stole poison genes from black widow spider by Scarblac on Monday October 17, 2016 @06:22AM (#12723839)
Or rather, each bacterium is its own species?
Re:Virus stole poison genes from black widow spider by thaumasiotes on Monday October 17, 2016 @07:52AM (#12724216)
Why? Bacteria exchange DNA with each other.