Re:Virus stole poison genes from black widow spider
by whyenot on Monday October 17, 2016 @12:37AM
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> Viruses are the enigma of evolution. Are they just chemicals, or living?
Biology is full of edge cases like this. For a few more examples, google "species problem". Human beings often like to classify things into discrete groups, but that doesn't necessarily map onto the natural world all that well.
Re:Virus stole poison genes from black widow spider
by laumars on Monday October 17, 2016 @06:37AM
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indeed. This reminds me of the arguments about whether fungus is a plant or an animal.
Re:Virus stole poison genes from black widow spider
by pjscott on Monday October 17, 2016 @12:02AM
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Are you sure that's a real question? The answer is probably just that the words you're using don't quite fit the underlying reality.
Re:Virus stole poison genes from black widow spider
by theparanoid on Monday October 17, 2016 @03:23AM
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Natural selection mostly selects against change. Without selection the cockroach would have mutated.
Viruses are not an enigma, another parasitic genetic element are Inteins - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intein.
Re:Virus stole poison genes from black widow spider
by wwggggoi on Monday October 17, 2016 @04:08AM
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Viruses are not living, because they have no metabolism and they cannot self-replicate (they require the replication apparatus of the host)
Viruses are not self-contained systems, they are more like organelles of cells, which transfer data between hosts.
edit: sorry I didn't been organelles I meant vesicles in cells
Re:Virus stole poison genes from black widow spider
by ArkyBeagle on Tuesday October 18, 2016 @06:45AM
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This seems to me like saying "wow, that frame of film on that movie sure is lucky to be up there right now" 24 times a second.
Re:Virus stole poison genes from black widow spider
by thaumasiotes on Sunday October 16, 2016 @11:41PM
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> Still most of the species that ever lived are extinct today.
Depends on your view of the Ship of Theseus.
Re:Virus stole poison genes from black widow spider
by lappa on Monday October 17, 2016 @12:38AM
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We wouldn't be able to mate with Nakalipithecus nakayamai, so they are indeed a distinct species despite being our ancestor.
Re:Virus stole poison genes from black widow spider
by thaumasiotes on Monday October 17, 2016 @03:14AM
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By this criterion, there are very, very few bacterial species.
Re:Virus stole poison genes from black widow spider
by manifestsilence on Monday October 17, 2016 @03:24PM
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I seem to recall this being the reason the sexual reproduction definition of species is considered problematic. It's a convenient definition for animals but breaks down for most other things, and even the animal kingdom has some funky edge cases, like the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zebroid.
Re:Virus stole poison genes from black widow spider
by Scarblac on Monday October 17, 2016 @06:22AM
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Or rather, each bacterium is its own species?
Re:Virus stole poison genes from black widow spider
by thaumasiotes on Monday October 17, 2016 @07:52AM
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Why? Bacteria exchange DNA with each other.
Viruses are the enigma of evolution. Are they just chemicals, or living?