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Re:KiCad: A commitment to freedom by aylons on Saturday October 15, 2016 @03:19PM (#12715286)
I work in the field (another particle accelerator) and I'll tell you outright that a non-commercial license is a no-no for research institutes.

We MUST be able to license the project for commercial parties to produce them, lest we have to support the project for its entire life-cycle, which can be decades. Also, a non-commercial license restrict sharing between labs, or even use for some entities that work as government contractors.

Re:KiCad: A commitment to freedom by ZenoArrow on Saturday October 15, 2016 @04:24PM (#12715521)
> "I'll tell you outright that a non-commercial license is a no-no for research institutes."

That makes no sense. Software licencing and product support are two completely different factors. You can have software support agreements with open-source software, that's how companies like Red Hat and Canonical make their money.

Re:KiCad: A commitment to freedom by aylons on Saturday October 15, 2016 @05:21PM (#12715694)
I assure you it makes a lot of sense and is practiced by several labs from around the world.

Hardware is not software - you don't simply compile it in your computer. You don't pay other company to just do just give support to you: you license to them so they can tweak it, manufacture, and sell the hardware to you and other research labs.

Re:KiCad: A commitment to freedom by rstuart4133 on Sunday October 16, 2016 @07:31AM (#12718145)
> Also, a non-commercial license restrict sharing between labs, or even use for some entities that work as government contractors.

That is one of the more bizarre things I've read here. You are saying an licence whose terms explicit permit copying for free are worse at sharing than licences that forbid it doing sharing it, ever.

> You don't pay other company to just do just give support to you: you license to them so they can tweak it, manufacture, and sell the hardware to you and other research labs.

That's just weird. The people who maintain my car didn't make it, the people who supply me my email didn't design it, the people who run my government don't own it. All the software I run has security patches supplied within hours, for free, by people who didn't write it and don't own it. And yes, they are faster and break less than their commercial "upgrade to the new version" counterparts.

You and your labs live in an alternate universe to me, my friend.

Re:KiCad: A commitment to freedom by aylons on Sunday October 16, 2016 @12:42PM (#12719457)
Yes, I live in the high-complexity, low-volume hardware universe. Quite different from cars and software.
Re:KiCad: A commitment to freedom by ZenoArrow on Sunday October 16, 2016 @04:58AM (#12717713)
> "You don't pay other company to just do just give support to you: you license to them so they can tweak it"

Open-source support companies can still tweak the software for you, and are free to do so because of the permissive licences.

Take a look at the business model section of Red Hat's Wikipedia page:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Hat