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Re:Google's “Director of Engineering” Hiring Test by serge2k on Thursday October 13, 2016 @03:36PM (#12703422)
> There's another measure I use to measure the quality of their hiring process. The output. Namely the track record of products Google has developed in house in the last 10 years.

That's a poor metric to evaluate the rampant complaints about a high false negative rate. I don't think that many people are disputing that the people who do get hired are qualified most of the time.

Re:Google's “Director of Engineering” Hiring Test by crdoconnor on Thursday October 13, 2016 @03:56PM (#12703546)
When the in house engineers come out with products like Wave and Glass while things like Maps and Android are purchased you have to wonder.
Re:Google's “Director of Engineering” Hiring Test by _0nac on Thursday October 13, 2016 @06:46PM (#12704780)
Psst: the Rasmussen brothers were behind both Maps and Wave.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lars_Rasmussen_(software_devel...

Re:Google's “Director of Engineering” Hiring Test by jrockway on Thursday October 13, 2016 @11:24PM (#12705952)
I think you're neglecting the continuous improvement of successful projects, which take quite a bit of engineering effort.

Was it software quality that killed Wave and Glass, or was it more of the market not wanting either of those things? (To digress, it seems like both of those products came too early. Do you think that wearable computers will _never_ exist? And Slack seems to be the Wave-like thing that the market wanted.)

Re:Google's “Director of Engineering” Hiring Test by crdoconnor on Friday October 14, 2016 @05:37AM (#12706991)
Funny you should mention that. I was just using maps and thinking "this is worse than it used to be".

From what I've heard from insiders, the adwords code base is an enormous mess. Not surprising for a product that old perhaps, but this points to their engineering practises being about as mediocre as the industry average.

I don't honestly know why people want slack. It seems to just be in vogue - one of those weird network effect things. It doesn't seem to have anything to do with their feature-set or engineering quality because it's not noticeably better than, say, hipchat.

>To digress, it seems like both of those products came too early. Do you think that wearable computers will _never_ exist?

They already exist.

Re:Google's “Director of Engineering” Hiring Test by esturk on Friday October 14, 2016 @03:22AM (#12706573)
Slack is in no way like Wave. Now you're just over reaching with your comparisons. Wave's flaw was showing you what the other person was typing as they were typing it. You try to separate quality from functionality and stick that to market's fault because it doesn't want Wave's functionality. That is not mutually exclusive. Wave's quality was egregious.
Re:Google's “Director of Engineering” Hiring Test by fphhotchips on Thursday October 13, 2016 @07:05PM (#12704915)
Not sure what you're saying here. Wave was great technically; the market fit just wasn't there.
Re:Google's “Director of Engineering” Hiring Test by morgante on Friday October 14, 2016 @05:08AM (#12706899)
Why is it a poor metric? Isn't the point of hiring employees to ideally build and launch successful products?

I think Google is pretty good at hiring "qualified" engineers who are very good at maintaining and scaling existing systems, but the process definitely selects against entrepreneurial product-focused engineers. Maybe Google thinks that's fine though: they can always pick them up through an acquisition later, albeit at 100x the price.