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Re:The Nobel Prize in Literature 2016 awarded to Bob Dylan by stinkytaco on Thursday October 13, 2016 @09:27AM (#12700586)
They put coffee in their coffee in Brazil.

It suppose it goes without saying, but that meme is some selective criticism.

Re:The Nobel Prize in Literature 2016 awarded to Bob Dylan by ptaipale on Thursday October 13, 2016 @09:30AM (#12700607)
Of course. Current youth generation's pop songs are always bad (mostly).

"The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their households. "

- Socrates, circa 470 BC

Re:The Nobel Prize in Literature 2016 awarded to Bob Dylan by irremediable on Thursday October 13, 2016 @10:29AM (#12700976)
I believe this quote is apocryphal. AFAIK it's actually quoting a play by Aristophanes that poked fun at Socrates -- a play that put these words in his mouth.
Re:The Nobel Prize in Literature 2016 awarded to Bob Dylan by ptaipale on Thursday October 13, 2016 @11:19AM (#12701298)
Very possible. The point is merely that lamenting the ways of the youth is a very old phenomenon.
Re:The Nobel Prize in Literature 2016 awarded to Bob Dylan by stinkytaco on Thursday October 13, 2016 @09:42AM (#12700680)
It is worth adding that though I agree that songs can be literature, songs also have non-literary elements, which means that songs that are not literature can still be good songs. Here I'm thinking of artists like DJ Shadow or the Beastie Boys, where some other element such as the soundscape or even just the beat carries the music.

I'm not a Bieber fan, but I think it's unfair to judge him strictly by his lyrics. Or Sinatra for that matter.

Re:The Nobel Prize in Literature 2016 awarded to Bob Dylan by sbmassey on Thursday October 13, 2016 @05:19PM (#12704114)
Socrates would have been less than 1 year old in 470 BC, so I guess he was speaking about himself and his pals.
Re:The Nobel Prize in Literature 2016 awarded to Bob Dylan by ptaipale on Friday October 14, 2016 @07:58AM (#12707502)
Yes right, my error, should have said this is attributed to Socrates, born circa 470 BC. So if he said it, it was likely somewhere around 400 BC.