Women rise through the ranks of IT more rapidly than men

Re:Women rise through the ranks of IT more rapidly than men by jordigh on Tuesday October 11, 2016 @03:47PM (#12687925)

It's not that they're better. It's that a woman in tech has to work twice as hard to get the same recognition as men. After working twice as hard, you tend to overshoot and end up becoming way better than the men.

Mediocre women in tech just aren't allowed, whereas mediocre men are accepted. Try to read the article she linked.

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Re:Women rise through the ranks of IT more rapidly than men by antisthenes on Tuesday October 11, 2016 @04:00PM (#12688028)

Citations needed for pretty much every part of your post.

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Re:Women rise through the ranks of IT more rapidly than men by jordigh on Tuesday October 11, 2016 @04:27PM (#12688229)

Again? Read the article that both I and calex suggested you should read.

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Re:Women rise through the ranks of IT more rapidly than men by MollyR on Wednesday October 12, 2016 @10:22AM (#12693064)

As a women in tech. I'd like citations too. Because I'm not clear what article you are referring too,and the ones I've read in this thread and the medium article are exceptionally weak.

Poor or even worse bullshit articles and poor citations just make the backlash worse, and even harder to get accepted without having to prove I'm at the least a mythical 2x-5x developer.

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Re:Women rise through the ranks of IT more rapidly than men by jordigh on Wednesday October 12, 2016 @10:44AM (#12693288)

Due to the backfire effect[1], no amount of citation convinces the disbelievers. Those who want to believe find the articles by themselves. Those who don't experience backfire effect.

But, here you go, let's try showing you a survey and a study amongst the top Google hits for "women have to work harder for the same recognition" and see what you think:

https://news.virginia.edu/content/surveys-british-and-americ...

http://www.forbes.com/sites/eliseackerman/2013/02/24/superio...

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[1] http://bigthink.com/think-tank/the-backfire-effect-why-facts...

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Re:Women rise through the ranks of IT more rapidly than men by MollyR on Wednesday October 12, 2016 @11:43AM (#12693856)

That's not what I'm really asking for. I live that reality most days. So I believe it fully.

When I discuss these and sometimes any issue really with engineers or scientists, I try to find technical research papers with null hypothesizes and methodology.

My point being for technical people like engineers, you aren't convincing a lot of people with light fluffy pieces without links to hard data, in fact you get them even more entrenched in their current way of thinking because they think you don't have real scientific evidence.

I've found in personal experience, technical people are far more open minded then the general population, but they tolerate far less bullshit.

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Re:Women rise through the ranks of IT more rapidly than men by jordigh on Wednesday October 12, 2016 @02:39PM (#12695440)

I have found that people, even technical people, will question any study you send their way if they don't already agree to it. They'll say the sample isn't big enough, that the statistics are flawed, or they'll cite contrary studies.

I don't understand what you're looking for. I don't have juicy information you don't have, so I imagine if there is something out there that you searched and couldn't find, I don't think I'll succeed in finding it either.

I guess that means all that remains is intolerable bullshit?

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