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Re:Barack Obama: America Will Take the Giant Leap to Mars by macspoofing on Tuesday October 11, 2016 @11:44AM (#12685441)
>Not only does it enforce the bullshit teleology of the White European as "discoverer" (you know people inhabited these continents, right?)

Calm yourself. It's a statement that is clearly from the perspective of Europeans. And it was an accomplishment worthy of remembrance since it required a combination of a certain level of technological advancement and courage. It is also a huge milestone in the history of mankind.

Re:Barack Obama: America Will Take the Giant Leap to Mars by yolesaber on Tuesday October 11, 2016 @12:40PM (#12686020)
>And it was an accomplishment worthy of remembrance since it required a combination of a certain level of technological advancement and courage.

There is evidence that Polynesians made it to the "new world" long before Europeans (http://www.mnn.com/earth-matters/wilderness-resources/storie...). And even in the case of Europenas, they were able to do it with the technology invented in 10th/11th centuries e.g. Leif Erickson's voyage. It was just that the political and economic climes were not optimal for them to sail West until centuries later.

The notion of the progress and advancement inherent to Europeans as "discovers" is propaganda. We celebrate it because they killed most of the people who were there first and got claim it all for themselves.

Re:Barack Obama: America Will Take the Giant Leap to Mars by oldmanjay on Tuesday October 11, 2016 @01:02PM (#12686239)
Well that's sort of the point, isn't it? For whatever moral judgment you wish to levy on those dead and gone, European culture of the time led into what became the dominant culture on the planet. The colonization of the "new world" was indeed a milestone on that journey.
Re:Barack Obama: America Will Take the Giant Leap to Mars by macspoofing on Tuesday October 11, 2016 @06:23PM (#12689023)
>It was just that the political and economic climes were not optimal for them to sail West until centuries later.

You can dismiss every major historical event with this kind of reasoning. Everything is, at some level, based on luck and timing.

Bottom line, unlike the voyages of Polynesians and Vikings, the discovery of the Americas was an incredibly important historical event and is a foundation of the current global order.

>The notion of the progress and advancement inherent to Europeans as "discovers" is propaganda.

No, it isn't. Europeans were, objectively, far more technologically advanced than natives of the Americas.

You keep getting hung up on the word 'discover'. Why? From the perspective of Europeans, it was a discovery. They found a landmass that they didn't know existed. We just recently 'discovered' gravitational waves, even though those specific ones were/are emitted for eons.

>We celebrate it because they killed most of the people

Don't be dense. That's not why we celebrate it - and you know it.

The Europeans didn't kill most of the inhabitants. The vast vast majority of natives died due to Old-World diseases, not through war or murder. Second, Europeans were not a monolithic group and colonization was not a singular event. It spanned centuries, involved many groups of people and took place on an immense landmass (the Americas). It also occurred during a transition from late medieval era to modern era. So your simplistic view of "(Europeans) killed most of the people who were there first and got claim it all for themselves" is simplistic and stupid.

Re:Barack Obama: America Will Take the Giant Leap to Mars by noobermin on Tuesday October 11, 2016 @12:53PM (#12686132)
The truth I think is not good or bad or neither, it is both good and bad at the same time. While the USA has had a mixed legacy of death, destruction, and violence we also have a legacy of freedom, love, and peace. The hope is that we acknowledge both today and choose to follow a path of peace, not of evil.
Re:Barack Obama: America Will Take the Giant Leap to Mars by atomi on Tuesday October 11, 2016 @12:44PM (#12686059)
You could say the discovery and subsequent colonization was deterministic. Considering Man is driven largely by self-interest we won't be seeing a Mars colonization like that of the Americas unless there is something on Mars which can be exploited.