We rationalize it, because the mother will not be able to give a good life to her child or whatever.

What makes us think that people from Carthage could not also rationalize with more powerful reasons than us? It was way harder to live back them than today.

PS:Most of what we know of Carthage comes from their competing beliefs, like Jews, because Cartage was totally destroyed, in the same way the Jews portray a picture of Babel totally distorted.

No we do not, that is illegal because murder is illegal. It is not a child until it is born.

Indiana General Assembly, House Bill 1337

> Requires physicians to provide information about perinatal hospice care to a pregnant woman who is considering an abortion because the unborn child has been diagnosed with a lethal fetal anomaly.

The terminology of referring to the unborn as children has a long legal history.

There's a similar history concerning how personhood is determined via paperwork: i.e. if you do not fill out the paperwork for an abortion, the unborn child is considered a person for cases of its death---such as if a pregnant woman is killed, it's considered a double homicide.

The Indiana Assembly is certainly an authority on one thing: legislating clever ways to restrict women's right to obtain an abortion. I don't consider them authorities on much else.

I had thought you meant a more general and inclusive 'we'.

Fetuses. A fetus is not a child.

I don't care about your opinion, but I do care about precise use of language.

Saying one thing while meaning another doesn't make the point, it obscures it.

It's an evocative analogy, but it seems like a deliberate category error to many.

Of course, I think safe inexpensive abortion is a great societal good, not a mild civil crime worthy of a hint of disapproval, so my analogy doesn't really hold up very well.

> Soranus, a 2nd-century Greek physician, prescribed diuretics, emmenagogues, enemas, fasting, and bloodletting as safe abortion methods, although he advised against the use of sharp instruments to induce miscarriage, due to the risk of organ perforation. He also advised women wishing to abort their pregnancies to engage in energetic walking, carrying heavy objects, riding animals, and jumping so that the woman's heels were to touch her buttocks with each jump, which he described as the "Lacedaemonian Leap."

I don't think people prescribing "energetic walking" and bloodletting have really figured this out.

It's kind of a strange aspect of humanity.