Re:The Dutch Reach: Clever Workaround to Keep Cyclists from ...
by umanwizard on Monday October 10, 2016 @01:30AM
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Where the interests of cyclists and drivers conflict, we should prioritize cycling, because it has no negative externalities, requires much cheaper infrastructure, is good for health, etc.
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Re:The Dutch Reach: Clever Workaround to Keep Cyclists from ...
by hueving on Monday October 10, 2016 @01:43AM
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If it causes the drivers to do something extremely inefficient (e.g. drive around the block for a half hour looking for parking), then it's a negative externality. Cyclists do not exist in a vacuum.
Re:The Dutch Reach: Clever Workaround to Keep Cyclists from ...
by antisthenes on Monday October 10, 2016 @12:37PM
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What you're describing is not an externality at all. It's an explicit cost to the driver that will hopefully make them alter their behavior.
It makes the parking (end goal) more expensive to them via both time (additional time to park) and money (gas wasted during finding the parking spot), so it is reflected in the cost of the good. Thus it is not an externality.
Re:The Dutch Reach: Clever Workaround to Keep Cyclists from ...
by hueving on Tuesday October 11, 2016 @11:48PM
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No, if they don't care it's not entirely reflected in the good. This happens quite frequently with emissions. If you do something that causes a bunch more people to produce emissions (e.g. Lower the cost of gasoline by 90%), you are partially responsible for those externalities.
Re:The Dutch Reach: Clever Workaround to Keep Cyclists from ...
by awjr on Monday October 10, 2016 @03:50AM
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I think you're missing the point. In Amsterdam cars are guests on many roads. The transport infrastructure very much supports walking, cycling, and use of public transport. The car is a very very inefficient use of road space.
Re:The Dutch Reach: Clever Workaround to Keep Cyclists from ...
by hx87 on Monday October 10, 2016 @11:28AM
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> drive around the block for a half hour looking for parking
That would be a dumb thing to do, unless you value your time very little. Why not just park in the nearest garage?
Re:The Dutch Reach: Clever Workaround to Keep Cyclists from ...
by hueving on Tuesday October 11, 2016 @11:51PM
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Most people don't value their time that highly. Most middle class Americans for example would rather waste the half hour rather than spend $40 or whatever to take a cab from the suburb into the city.
This disconnect is the reason a lot of silicon valley startups flounder outside of silicon valley. Most of the US population can't afford to throw away $10 to save 20 mins.
Re:The Dutch Reach: Clever Workaround to Keep Cyclists from ...
by closeparen on Monday October 10, 2016 @03:25AM
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Making driving worse has the pretty significant negative externality of decreasing the n minutes to downtown land area, forcing people to spend more money on housing or more time in transit.
Re:The Dutch Reach: Clever Workaround to Keep Cyclists from ...
by cr1895 on Monday October 10, 2016 @04:31AM
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At least in the context of Amsterdam, it's already a terrible city for driving. The housing market in Amsterdam is (and will continue to get more) ridiculous, but certainly not due to lack of parking or cycling-prioritized city planning.