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Re:Just shut up and let your devs concentrate, advises Joel ... by 819238129 on Saturday October 08, 2016 @11:28AM (#12667253)
What is the intellectual output of Buddhism apart from religion and a couple of witty Koans?

Meditation is something different -- actually I find it has adverse effects on critical thinking.

The only thing that works for me is (courtesy Feynman):

1) State the problem.

2) Think hard.

3) Write down the solution.

I cannot do these steps for programming or math in "any environment". I could write Koans though.

Re:Just shut up and let your devs concentrate, advises Joel ... by dbingham on Saturday October 08, 2016 @11:44AM (#12667324)
If you're using meditation hoping to solve problems while your meditating, then you're doing it wrong. Meditation is like sleep or taking a rest day in a work out regimen. It's all about clearing your mind of noise so that when you finish and get back to the Feinman process then you're head is a little clearer and it's easier to focus.
Re:Just shut up and let your devs concentrate, advises Joel ... by 819238130 on Saturday October 08, 2016 @12:23PM (#12667478)
Persons are different. If someone is balanced, already introverted and has no trouble living in the moment and being happy just breathing and moving then I maintain that meditation can have prolonged adverse effects outside the period of actual meditation.

If another person is extroverted, perhaps even to the point of being hyperactive, then meditation (as you described it) may help.

In general I see very little connection though between meditation and intellectual output. Many famous people who are known for taking to Buddhism did so after accomplishing their major works.

I also doubt that meditation, even if it leads to a rested mind, helps focusing in noisy environments.

[same person as above -- sorry dang!]

Re:Just shut up and let your devs concentrate, advises Joel ... by wlamartin on Saturday October 08, 2016 @12:57PM (#12667615)
"I maintain that meditation can have prolonged adverse effects outside the period of actual meditation."

Why do you maintain this?

Re:Just shut up and let your devs concentrate, advises Joel ... by edejong on Saturday October 08, 2016 @03:26PM (#12668279)
Exercising equanimity is a possible state while meditating. However, apart from equanimity, most Zen Buddhist meditations involve knowing and exercising the mind in different ways, such as applying (right) concentration and disentangling thought processes.
Re:Just shut up and let your devs concentrate, advises Joel ... by Koshkin on Saturday October 08, 2016 @12:56PM (#12667610)
So, basically, meditation is like taking a nap? Then why prefer one over the other?
Re:Just shut up and let your devs concentrate, advises Joel ... by dwc on Saturday October 08, 2016 @02:43PM (#12668056)
Note that I wrote that meditation teaches concentration as a tool, not as the end goal. Focus and concentration are useful outside of meditation, too. If you learned the concentration parts and left the rest, I'm sure the meditation people would think that you'd done yourself a disservice, but do you care?

> I cannot do these steps for programming or math in "any environment".

I have noticed that sometimes, when I'm really deep in flow on a problem, I can power through people starting a conversation standing right behind my back. I can't get into a flow state with such distractions, but sometimes I can maintain it. I imagine you've had similar experiences.

What if you had explicitly practiced concentration to the degree that you could enter a state of flow in those circumstances? With training, is that possible for some people? Most people?