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Re:The Return of the Utopians by ArkyBeagle on Thursday October 06, 2016 @08:28AM (#12651840)
But a Utopia is really adherence to some perfect Platonic form, not the sort of greasy compromise necessary to accommodate the crooked timber of humanity.

Design in general is bad, if the design overrides all other measurement and input.

Wasn't More's book a reductio anyway?

Re:The Return of the Utopians by eli_gottlieb on Thursday October 06, 2016 @08:32AM (#12651869)
>But a Utopia is really adherence to some perfect Platonic form,

There's no such thing as a Platonic form.

Re:The Return of the Utopians by ArkyBeagle on Thursday October 06, 2016 @03:11PM (#12655200)
Precisely.